RE: Prodrive unveils P2 concept
RE: Prodrive unveils P2 concept
Wednesday 14th December 2005

Prodrive unveils P2 concept

Impreza-based and 350bhp/tonne so it's quick


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Prodrive P2: see it at Autosport
Prodrive P2: see it at Autosport

Prodrive is to launch a unique new road car, the P2, at Autosport International next month. The car will be unveiled by Prodrive chairman Dave Richards at the NEC, Birmingham on the opening day of the show, Thursday 12 January.

The two-seater sports car has been developed by the motorsport and automotive technology specialist, which runs the Subaru World Rally and Aston Martin Racing teams, to showcase its innovative technologies and engineering skills and to demonstrate its ability to design and build a unique road car in less than a year.

At its core, P2 uses an Impreza STi engine, transmission and four-wheel drive system. To this, Prodrive has added its own active handling system, ATD, and an engine turbo anti-lag system developed from its Subaru World Rally Cars, helping to give the lightweight car a predicted power-to-weight ratio approaching 350bhp/tonne.

Anti-lag is a system that's been in use in rallying for over a decade. It keeps the turbo spinning by using ignition timing and the dumping of unspent fuel into the exhaust system when the engine is off-throttle. The fuel then ignites in the high temperatures, which spins the turbine, reducing if not eliminating turbo lag. It can also make rather fruity bangs and pops, although more modern systems tend to be quieter.

Styling has been in the hands of Peter Stevens and the entire design, engineering and build of the car has been carried out at Prodrive’s facilities at Banbury and Warwick in the UK.

While there are currently no plans to put the car into production, if it were produced in volume Prodrive expects the car would be priced at approximately £40,000, putting it in its own niche sector.

You can book for Autosport International using the link below.

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ubergreg

Original Poster:

261 posts

252 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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BUILD IT PRODRIVE!!!!

fwdracer

3,565 posts

245 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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Subaru without the stigma.

Amen.

GregE240

10,857 posts

288 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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Looks like a squared off Audi TT.

Not a fan.

thondwe

10 posts

247 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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A TT with punch and handling - got a be a good idea

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GTRene

20,637 posts

245 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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Much better looking then a Subaru! build it prodrive...and with a predicted power-to-weight ratio approaching 350bhp/tonne, it can be quik too

GTRene

r988

7,495 posts

250 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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Well it looks a damn sight better than the rubbish Subaru trys to pass off as styling these days, looks a bit like a Focus/RX8/Audi genetic experiment gone wrong, but might end up looking ok in the flesh.

james21

8 posts

251 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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This will not happen. There is no way that an anti-lag system like this will ever pass our emmisions standards. Shame tho.

Sonic Nonsense

283 posts

246 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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Anyone else think it looks a little bit (very little bit) like a previous generation Astra coupe, or am I on crack?

Like it tho, like it a lot. Better than an Impreza, but without the obligatory Burberry cap (no offence of Impreza drivers! )



www.sonicnonsense.com

Raph C

117 posts

258 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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james21 said:
This will not happen. There is no way that an anti-lag system like this will ever pass our emmisions standards. Shame tho.


But you could have the system ready to go on the car and a 2 penny after market optionnal extra would make it fonctionnal.
As long at it is off at idle speed, it will go through MOT.

But then how many miles is the turbo going to last?

oppressed mass

217 posts

304 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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Raph C said:
james21 said:
This will not happen. There is no way that an anti-lag system like this will ever pass our emmisions standards. Shame tho.


But you could have the system ready to go on the car and a 2 penny after market optionnal extra would make it fonctionnal.
As long at it is off at idle speed, it will go through MOT.


If they were to build it, and it is niche, then they can SVA 200 units of each model type per year without EUIV emissions / EOBD. That is until they change the SVA laws.....

This would given them entry to the UK market at least.

scoobiewrx

4,863 posts

247 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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You know what? It really bugs me when people keep rubbishing Impreza's, and commenting about the supposed stigmas attached to these vehicles. I know of drivers aged late 20's to early sixties that love and drive these cars, and are not chavs or anything like it. So, all this business about chavs and burberry is really is a load of old rubbish.

The styling may be bland and a bit ordinary but the mechanicals speak for themselves in leaps and bounds. Most of you that offer critique on the Impreza have likely never ever driven one, so haven't got a bloody clue!! Same with the Misti Evo's, again bland and quite ordinary styling but fantastic mechanicals without a doubt. Everybody is entitled to to their opinions about any subject on the planet, However, Do us a favour... Don't be a muppet, try basing those opinions on fact.

Impreza styling isn't rubbish, just a bit different. The same can be said about some supercars too!!

Thanks... Scoobie

havoc

32,479 posts

256 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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fwdracer said:
Subaru without the stigma.

Amen.

I like it! Looks are a little bland, but nowhere near as challenging as recent Scooby's. And as you say, no Scooby-stigma!!!

That bhp/tonne though...

zebedee

4,593 posts

299 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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Looks like a new Lotus Europa rear-ended a Ford Focus hard enough to merge. Yet still looks better than any current Subaru...

peterpeter

6,438 posts

278 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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scoobiewrx said:
You know what? It really bugs me when people keep rubbishing Impreza's, and commenting about the supposed stigmas attached to these vehicles. I know of drivers aged late 20's to early sixties that love and drive these cars, and are not chavs or anything like it. So, all this business about chavs and burberry is really is a load of old rubbish.

The styling may be bland and a bit ordinary but the mechanicals speak for themselves in leaps and bounds. Most of you that offer critique on the Impreza have likely never ever driven one, so haven't got a bloody clue!! Same with the Misti Evo's, again bland and quite ordinary styling but fantastic mechanicals without a doubt. Everybody is entitled to to their opinions about any subject on the planet, However, Do us a favour... Don't be a muppet, try basing those opinions on fact.

Impreza styling isn't rubbish, just a bit different. The same can be said about some supercars too!!

Thanks... Scoobie




well said..

Have to say, the negative comments nearly put me off from buying one, but after driving it, I was instantly
convinced.
Its been one of the best cars Ive ever owned.

cjbolter

101 posts

253 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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I was fortunate to run an Impreza Turbo in 1995, yeah before they became "trendy". It was a terrific car even then, But had no stigma at all. mine even had a NNN reg number so raised some comment from those in the know !!. Nowadays, after a Twin Turbo Legacy, I run a Forester 2.5 STI !!. You may have heard of it, there are not many in Europe. Brembos, Bilsteins, Big Turbo, Dump Valve, 6 Speed Box, LSD all round, etc etc. Great performance, and zero stigma.
I can heartily recommend it.
vbr CJ.

*Geoff

1 posts

303 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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The car sounds great and having read loads on prodive, I fully expect it to be a fantastic drive. Even though I've never owned a Scoobie, we all know how good they are.
These day, you can not type cast people because of what they drive. Especially if you're never driven one.
God would it be boring if we all drove the same cars or liked the same thing.

cjbolter

101 posts

253 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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Sorry guys, that should have read N555 reg number, ( its an age thing ).

Witchfinder

6,343 posts

273 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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My understanding was that Anti-Lag Systems are a) not road legal in the UK; and b) not very good for the turbocharger. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

james21

8 posts

251 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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Subaru won't go to all that trouble, there's no profit in it. Although I'm all for an outrageous anti-lag system such as this, all the un-burnt fuel being fed through the exhaust would totally destroy the cat convertors and you're back to square one. The car has to meet the emmission standards (at least to start with)

>> Edited by james21 on Wednesday 14th December 14:31

mutant_matt

48 posts

256 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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As it's a Prodrive project, I don't think Subaru really have anything to do with it so the < 200 might suit Prodrive (and they wouldn't do it unless they could make it profitable (unless they just want to showcase their expertise which I wouldn't have thought they needed to do!)). This would solve the emmissions and anti-lag (which is leagal to use on the road BTW) problem.

Speaking as an STi owner, I would be the first to admit that the image of the Impreza has been screwed by chav's and boy racers, and I can't believe anyone would be silly enough as to try and argue that it's a pretty car!!

I love the car, it's great to drive (in a brutal, go really fast kind of way), but it's no Porsche or BMW (in a precision and delicacy kind of way), but it certainly doesn't have a good image! I drive cars for the thrill of driving, not for the status/to massage my ego, so, I don't really care (that much ).

Matt