Bike Engined Hatch-Back
Discussion
I have seen some bike engined cars - mainly 7 style kit cars, I was wondering if there is a bike engine suitable to make a light weight bike engined Honda Civic. Strip it out,lower it, fit 1000cc bike engine...with the sequential gears and light weight front end would it make a good track car or hill climber ? Can you uggest any potential pit falls in the idea? Would a lighter car like a Clio be more suitable ?
You wouldnt be the first to attempt such a thing, get intouch with these guys.
www.zcars.org.uk/
www.zcars.org.uk/
If you want a car that's genuinly quick you will need a Hayabusa engine, there are all sorts of power claims for the lesser engines but unless you get the weight down to 500Kg or less they're not really that fast, agile maybe, loud yes but in real terms, not that fast.
Best thing is to see if you can blag a ride in a few cars - try an R1 car and a busa car - similar weight and see how they feel. You can pay to increase the power of the 1k engines but you may as well get a busa in the first place - you can still take it out to 1400cc or 1500cc plus turbo etc, all sorts of options, but with an R1 you are pretty much stuck with what it makes stock unless you invest a lot of money and then things like the clutch and gears can get frgile.
You know it makes sense Rodney
Best thing is to see if you can blag a ride in a few cars - try an R1 car and a busa car - similar weight and see how they feel. You can pay to increase the power of the 1k engines but you may as well get a busa in the first place - you can still take it out to 1400cc or 1500cc plus turbo etc, all sorts of options, but with an R1 you are pretty much stuck with what it makes stock unless you invest a lot of money and then things like the clutch and gears can get frgile.
You know it makes sense Rodney
m1spw said:
You can get bike engined smart cars. I think also a zcars creation. That much power in something as small as a Smart car?!?!
They'll lift the front wheels on a full bore launch...
However, the rather short wheelbase does make them an absolute pig if you manage to get it sideways!
I seem to remember evo reviewing one and it scared them silly!
Btw, there are an awful lot of BEC's in Autograss, twin bike lumps in a Fiat Seicento is quite interesting
slinky
587racing.com
busa_rush said:
.........but you may as well get a busa in the first place - you can still take it out to 1400cc or 1500cc plus turbo etc, all sorts of options, but with an R1 you are pretty much stuck with what it makes stock unless you invest a lot of money and then things like the clutch and gears can get frgile.
LOL and a 1400/1500/Turbo busa wouldnt need lots of money invested in it?
Seriously though, I do agree with the overall philosophy, if you want to tune, do it with a busa, if you want to keep it cheap and stock, go for an R1. Either way though there's only so much weight a busa clutch will take however much money you spend, so anything over 600kgs is starting to get far too heavy IMHO (and would be better nearer or below 500kgs).
People have tried bike engines in various cars before and one was even quite successful in a Lotus Elise. I'm using an R1 in my Fisher Fury and with an anticipated on the road weight of 420Kg, it should be fairly rapid. Unless you can get below 600Kg, I would say look at a cheap car engine solution instead.
Rob Collingridge
www.elises.co.uk
www.robcollingridge.com/kitcar
Rob Collingridge
www.elises.co.uk
www.robcollingridge.com/kitcar
As I said in the duplicate thread on the same subject running somewhere else on PH, I think a Smart Coupe with a bike engine would be fairly amusing.
As EVO found out, the Smart City car is too top-heavy and too short a wheelbase to handle a bike engine. I think the Smart Coupe might just cope though.
As EVO found out, the Smart City car is too top-heavy and too short a wheelbase to handle a bike engine. I think the Smart Coupe might just cope though.
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