Narnia
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Jaglover

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Saturday 17th December 2005
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I've just got back from seeing Narnia with my Wife and sister.

It's a good film, and my wife and sister liked it too, though not perhaps as good as it could have been. It has decent special effects but felt a little rushed. You can feel it is very much a children's film.

As I thought, it is not in the same league as LOTR.

Don

28,378 posts

314 months

Sunday 18th December 2005
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Jaglover said:
As I thought, it is not in the same league as LOTR.


Nor was the book, mind.

If they've done a good job of making a kids' movie out of what was, essentially, a kids' film - well done to 'em.

I'll be waiting for it to come out on DVD...

mcflurry

9,191 posts

283 months

Sunday 18th December 2005
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Jaglover said:
in the same league as LOTR.

Indeed not in the same league, Narnia is 100 times more enjoyable than the 123 hours of boredom offered by LOTR

Don

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314 months

Sunday 18th December 2005
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mcflurry said:

Narnia is 100 times more enjoyable than the 123 hours of boredom offered by LOTR


You dare to criticise the master! (Tolkein or Jackson)

Its a bit like saying "Well Hendrix was OK but there were better guitarists...."



Only poking fun. No offence.

chris watton

22,547 posts

290 months

Sunday 18th December 2005
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Oddly enough, we were disappointed with Narnia! We watched Kong last night, and whilst enjoyable, I do feel that the CGI are now being too relied upon, a few scenes were very silly, like the dinos rolling about, and the heros escaping injury, and the bi-planes which flew not like proper old slow planes, but like CGI planes, that, I guess was also disappointing, too many film makers resting on their technology and CGI laurels, and its getting boring, tbh!

Jaglover

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Sunday 18th December 2005
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Don said:

You dare to criticise the master! (Tolkein or Jackson)



There are some who don't like LOTR, perhaps it is too deep for them

grass widow

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253 months

Sunday 18th December 2005
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We're leaving in a little while to go and see Narnia, kids looking forward to it. I love LOTR but am not expecting Narnia to be in the same league.

My son wants to go see King Kong, so that could be on the agenda for next week.

vixpy1

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294 months

Sunday 18th December 2005
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I think you should bring your sister to the curry night .. snigger

Jaglover

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Sunday 18th December 2005
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sexstarvedvixpy1 said:
I think you should bring your sister to the curry night .. snigger

JonRB

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302 months

Sunday 18th December 2005
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Don said:
"Well Hendrix was OK but there were better guitarists...."
Like Clapton.

Dakkon

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283 months

Sunday 18th December 2005
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I thought it was pretty rubbish, the childrens characters lacked depth, and LOTR is miles better in every aspect, plus the whole Aslan / Jesus thing is a bit stomach churning.

andy mac

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285 months

Sunday 18th December 2005
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To be honest, I never even noticed any jesus crap in it. Yes he came back from the dead, but so did half the cast of Shaun of the dead... I thought it was OK. It was entertaining, and although not as involving, or as complex as LOTR, it was a decent flick. I enjoyed it.

Highway Star

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261 months

Sunday 18th December 2005
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Agree with you there. No real character development I felt, the plot and film felt very rushed and you could see Disney had their paws on it. It felt devoid of 'magic'. The CGI battlescenes were pretty poor IMO. I suppose the kiddies rating ruled out the use of blood and hard hits, but it made the fights very stale and unconvincing.

All in all, very linear and very derivative. I feel these sorts of films (LOTR, Narnia etc.) are just ploughing the same furrow. Some massive shots of massive NZ landscape, some 'hilarious' comic relief characters and the same hackneyed "Gladiator" set-piece style fight scene.

After reading the book as a child I actually looked in the back of the wardrobe for a secret fantasy world (I was rather simple). Not sure many kids will be doing so now.

On a side note, I found the apportioning of 'good' and 'evil' animals to be most unfair. Why are polar bears evil just because they are white? The brown bears are good. That's just positive discrimination

Jaglover

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Monday 19th December 2005
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Highway Star said:
Agree with you there. No real character development I felt, the plot and film felt very rushed and you could see Disney had their paws on it. It felt devoid of 'magic'. The CGI battlescenes were pretty poor IMO. I suppose the kiddies rating ruled out the use of blood and hard hits, but it made the fights very stale and unconvincing.

All in all, very linear and very derivative. I feel these sorts of films (LOTR, Narnia etc.) are just ploughing the same furrow. Some massive shots of massive NZ landscape, some 'hilarious' comic relief characters and the same hackneyed "Gladiator" set-piece style fight scene.

After reading the book as a child I actually looked in the back of the wardrobe for a secret fantasy world (I was rather simple). Not sure many kids will be doing so now.

On a side note, I found the apportioning of 'good' and 'evil' animals to be most unfair. Why are polar bears evil just because they are white? The brown bears are good. That's just positive discrimination



I would agree that Narnia felt derivative of LOTR in parts.

As for why some animals are good some bad in the film, polar bears live in cold climates, whereas many of the animals opposing the white witch liked hot climates.

Yugguy

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265 months

Monday 19th December 2005
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If you rate LOTR as a piece of writing it's not actually that good, rambling plot, lack of meaningful female characters, characters such as Tom Bombadil that are painstakingly constructed for no reason.

If however you rate it as a story, it's absolutely fantastic, which is why it has and will continue to endure as one of the major works in the English fiction canon.

The Narnia books are much better written, IMO, apart from Last Battle, which feels a bit too much like a plot wrapper-up.

Lewis's best works are of course Out of The Silent Planet, Voyage to Venus and That Hideous Strength, Christian allegories that can be read purely as cracking works of fiction.

Jaglover

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Monday 19th December 2005
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Yugguy said:
If you rate LOTR as a piece of writing it's not actually that good, rambling plot, lack of meaningful female characters, characters such as Tom Bombadil that are painstakingly constructed for no reason.

If however you rate it as a story, it's absolutely fantastic, which is why it has and will continue to endure as one of the major works in the English fiction canon.

The Narnia books are much better written, IMO, apart from Last Battle, which feels a bit too much like a plot wrapper-up.



What about Éowyn?, she is a fascinating character.

I agree that some criticism for rambling could be levelled at the 1st book, including the Tom Bombadil interlude, but it is a made up world and such digressions helped to build up it's back story.

And there is no such rambling in the other two books.

I would disagree that Narnia is better written, it is after all a children's story, CS Lewis's Hobbit if you will.

Yugguy

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Monday 19th December 2005
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Aye, I'll give you that, Eowyn does have some dramatic purpose as well.

Are children's books inherently written worse than adult's books?

Worst thing about LOTR films was no scouring of the shire, my favourite part of the whole three books.

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Jaglover

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Monday 19th December 2005
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Yugguy said:
Aye, I'll give you that, Eowyn does have some dramatic purpose as well.

Are children's books inherently written worse than adult's books?

Worst thing about LOTR films was no scouring of the shire, my favourite part of the whole three books.

>> Edited by Yugguy on Monday 19th December 09:03


A transition from book to film will always mean the loss of some parts of the book, even if you make extended versions which are 4 hours long.

I agree entirely with what they omitted in the first film and in fact in that case the film may even exceed the book.

Return of the King was the film that got the greatest plaudits, and finally brought the trilogy a best picture Oscar, but in my opinion it was the most flawed in terms of transition from book to film. It is still a very good film, but it is based on the great book and they could have done better. The scouring of the shire would have added at least 20mins to an already very long film, it just couldn’t have been done realistically. Which is a shame becuase it makes a very powerful statement.

The major problem I have is with the situation in Gondor, in particular Denethor. He becomes some sort of cartoon villain in the film, when in the book he is far more subtle, a proud man twisted by grief and despair. What was that nonsense with the beacon about? or that stupid cavalry charge on Osgilith(?). The men of Gondor were not idiots they were the finest of all the races of men, facing destruction because of the overwhelming odds they faced.


>> Edited by Jaglover on Monday 19th December 09:57

Yugguy

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Monday 19th December 2005
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Dakkon said:
I thought it was pretty rubbish, the childrens characters lacked depth, and LOTR is miles better in every aspect, plus the whole Aslan / Jesus thing is a bit stomach churning.


You can't remove this, the whole book is an allegory of the Christian story.

Einion Yrth

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274 months

Monday 19th December 2005
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Yugguy said:
Dakkon said:
I thought it was pretty rubbish, the childrens characters lacked depth, and LOTR is miles better in every aspect, plus the whole Aslan / Jesus thing is a bit stomach churning.


You can't remove this, the whole book is an allegory of the Christian story.

Which IMHO is the underlying flaw in all of Lewis' work, he just wouldn't let it lie.