Zimbabwe - One of the last white farmers is killed
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One of the last white zimbabwe farmers is killed. Surely these farmers should be given british passports and compensation to get them out of this hell hole? We spend money on other assylum seekers so why not spend it on those who had ancestors living in britain.
www.whitecivilrights.com/zimbabwe%e2%80%99s-white-farmers-a-dying-breed_288.html
www.whitecivilrights.com/zimbabwe%e2%80%99s-white-farmers-a-dying-breed_288.html
Why hasn't any government secretly organised a nasty accident for Mugabe? His people could only benefit from him being 6ft under because he's a nasty piece of work. He's taken a country that was a net exporter of food produce and turned it into a centre of crisis with burgeoning debts.
nel said:
Why hasn't any government secretly organised a nasty accident for Mugabe? His people could only benefit from him being 6ft under because he's a nasty piece of work. He's taken a country that was a net exporter of food produce and turned it into a centre of crisis with burgeoning debts.
Problem with him is he'd be replaced by someone just as bad if he was knocked off. He's surrounded by like-minded cronies (like our Tony) who he keeps at bay by playing them against one another - if he didn't he'd be overthrown. There's no loyalty amongst people like these.
I dare say there'd be a different political stance here (and the US) if Zimbabwe had much in the way of oil reserves...
iaint said:
Problem with him is he'd be replaced by someone just as bad if he was knocked off. He's surrounded by like-minded cronies (like our Tony) who he keeps at bay by playing them against one another - if he didn't he'd be overthrown. There's no loyalty amongst people like these.
I dare say there'd be a different political stance here (and the US) if Zimbabwe had much in the way of oil reserves...
But that's always the excuse. It was the same for our old buddy Saddam, they were concerned that he'd be replaced by his cousin, a complete nutter. Better the devil you know and all that.
But when a country has been destabilised as Zimbabwe I don't think that we'd have much to lose getting rid of him, and the populist opposition would probably recieve huge levels of support once the news was out that the mini-moustacheoed prick had bitten the big one.
Jaglover said:
why should we give them compensation???
Where has anyone suggested any such thing?
We have said they should be granted British citizenship.
um read the first post?!!
"Surely these farmers should be given british passports and compensation to get them out of this hell hole"
It isn't just white people who are suffering. The majority of black people in Zimbabwe don't support Mugabe, they support the MDC (led by Morgan Tsangvirai). They are brutally oppressed, to the extent that they are denied food and shelter. That's why so many Zimbabweans of all colours turn up in the UK to claim asylum. The brutal dictatorship is a minority, and the vast majority of black Zimbabweans understand the wealth generated by white farmers and don't want to see them treated in this way.
If we lived in a sensible country we would decalre war on Mugabe and his communist government. Rhodesia will collapse anyway soon and disintegrate into yet another 3rd world starving country. When it was run by whites the blacks had jobs, homes, education and a sustainable economy. Soon they will just have a dust bowl and we will be sending them aid. 
Our old farm in Rhodesia (not feckin Zimbabwe! Zimbabwe is only a ruin of a small, very small village!) used to give work to over 190 people and supply food for another ten thousand (and a decent income for us as well as all our workers). We had large amounts of wild animals and also an excellent herd of beef and milch cattle. No cattle left, no wild animals (all mortared/mined/AK47d to death...FFS!)
Thank goodness we sold out in '69! Friends locally now say that the remains of the farm support only 5 families (around 40 peeps) on 16000 acres FFS! and is totally devastated by damned goats!!!!!! crops non-existant, remains of tractors just a lump of rust, houses burnt down, wells poisoned, fields mined, but Mugabes criminals still want it as a prestige farm for an incompetent illiterate government "minister" (read murdering criminal terroroist). and these flicking socialist barstewards in government actually "recognise" Madman Mugabe!!! I'm spitting mad!!
Thank goodness we sold out in '69! Friends locally now say that the remains of the farm support only 5 families (around 40 peeps) on 16000 acres FFS! and is totally devastated by damned goats!!!!!! crops non-existant, remains of tractors just a lump of rust, houses burnt down, wells poisoned, fields mined, but Mugabes criminals still want it as a prestige farm for an incompetent illiterate government "minister" (read murdering criminal terroroist). and these flicking socialist barstewards in government actually "recognise" Madman Mugabe!!! I'm spitting mad!!
simpo two said:
So basically, take away white rule, and the whole country slides back to the stone age in a few years. Maybe the nasty colonial empire wasn't so bad after all.
Exactly!! proven (almost) everywhere in Africa!! Seemingly only Kenya, Tanganika and Nyasaland have kept some degree of "head above water"ism.......
Yugguy said:
Zimbabwe, what a ed up country. And no, it's not the fault of the British, Mugabe's managed to ruin it all on his own. Get as many as we can of our people out and then leave the idiots to it.
Unfortunately this is one of the few issues out there that IS utterly and unequivicably the fault of the UK.
Rhodesia declared independence, then fought communist backed guerrillas based in neighbouring countries for many years. Mugabe was the leader of the largest of these groups. Their activities were essentially terrorist. Bombings, massacres, shooting down civil aircraft, you name it they did it and they made the IRA look like saints by comparison. He was essentially and old-skool african warlord.
Nobody cared about their ideology, they were backed by the former USSR simply to engineer a regime change to a friendly regime. In the same manner as the US supported endless groups during this period (this was approximately the same time that bin-laden's mob was US backed).
Rhodisia's government eventually caved in under sanctions and military pressure and agreed to full and free elections, supervised by the british. The apartheid regimes were an anachronism of the last century and couldnt be supported by anyone with conscience.
There was one stipulation made, Mugabe's mob were not to be allowed to win the election.
A black moderate bishop was installed as the prime-minister and elections were scheduled for something like a year later. Mugabe began massive infiltration of rural and border regions, dominated elections by force, violence and intimidation and gained power.
The Rhodesian SAS were standing by to take him out, they had artillery zeroed on his campaign headquarters and several teams ready and waiting. The go signal was never given.
Thatcher's government certified the elections as "free and fair" despite them being anything but and we then installed by those rigged elections the people of what is now Zimbabwe trusted us to administer, the soviet backed warlord siezed power and immediately began to consolidate his iron grip.
His ongoing move to remove "white landowners" is not only part of his ongoing racist diatribes that have led to the death and expulsion of a large percentage of the afrikaans and UK descended populations, but part of a kind of collective mental breakdown gripping Zimbabwe.
The huge commercial farms were handed over to endless hordes of subsistence farmers, subdivided endlessly, yet he is now suprised that they fail to even produce a subsistence yeild. Yet he claims there is no problem.
His grip on reality is now minimal, he feels that everyone is out to get him (I wish). Sod Iraq, we have an obligation to the people of Zimbabwe, both historical and moral that is held by the current generations of the UK. Both racial and ethnic cleansing are performed on an ongoing basis in this place. Once a jewel of civilised Africa, if we do nothing it will collapse. See Eritrea, or Ethiopia, or the Congo... We need to get him out of their and institute ACTUAL fair elections, peacekeepers in force.
To be honest I subscribe to this view also, but it's not one you can generally voice publically or you get enraged 'liberals' wanting to kill you. I know there were abuses during the colonial rule but also many good things, not least of which was the fact thyat it basically stopped the various tribes of Africa genociding each other for a while.
Although I give to various charities I don't often give to Africa charities as I think it can often end up as wasted money. I support some friends who help run the Mercy Ships as I can see that they do provide some concrete benefit to the people of Africa rather than it being siphoned off to build some dictator's palace.
Although I give to various charities I don't often give to Africa charities as I think it can often end up as wasted money. I support some friends who help run the Mercy Ships as I can see that they do provide some concrete benefit to the people of Africa rather than it being siphoned off to build some dictator's palace.
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