RE: Duesenberg rises from the grave
RE: Duesenberg rises from the grave
Tuesday 20th December 2005

Duesenberg rises from the grave

New Torpedo Coupé to use radical engine


Duesenberg Torpedo Coupe
Duesenberg Torpedo Coupe
The iconic Duesenberg name, associated with the fastest car in the US in 1935, the Model J, could be revived. If it happens, it'll be in the shape of a luxury super-coupé, the Torpedo Coupé, in 2007 -- and with a radical engine technology.

Designed by Jeff Teague, it'll be a four-seater with a unique engine. According to one source, it uses a CEM (Cylindrical Energy Module) engine.

Wassat? It's "an air-cooled, self lubricating, forced-air inducted (supercharged), 12-cylinder, double ended, ported, multi-fuelled, four-stroke engine", and it's made by Eddie Paul Industries. Despite its 300bhp output, it's said to return 70 mpg from a package weighing a mere 45Kg -- a power-to-weight ratio that's unparalleled. It's tiny too, at 18 inches in diameter and 24 inches long. There's more about it on the EPI site (see link below).

Other details on the car are sparse though, and you have to wonder if this will ever see the light of day. If it does, though, expect to see the US auto industry line up to kill it: Ford and GM don't want to see their established technology challenged, unless it's by their own R&D departments.

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r988

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7,495 posts

251 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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Very interesting, good to see someone trying out some new technology, hope it doesn't get killed.

GTRene

20,808 posts

246 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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I think it looks a lot like the beautiful Maybach Exelero! it only has shorter overhanges...stil a nice car though




GTRene

>> Edited by GTRene on Tuesday 20th December 10:59

>> Edited by GTRene on Tuesday 20th December 11:01

LRdriver II

1,936 posts

271 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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from behind, it looks like a Lambo reversing

gooby

9,269 posts

256 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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That engine is facinating, if they can get it to work, the word "revolution" comes to mind.

peter450

1,650 posts

255 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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GTRene said:
I think it looks a lot like the beatiful Maybacg Exelero


GTRene

>> Edited by GTRene on Tuesday 20th December 10:51


if only merc had made this car instead they would have sold loads in comparison to the tiny numbers of super limos they have made

Podie

46,647 posts

297 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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article said:

Other details on the car are sparse though, and you have to wonder if this will ever see the light of day. If it does, though, expect to see the US auto industry line up to kill it: Ford and GM don't want to see their established technology challenged, unless it's by their own R&D departments.


Bit barbed isn't it... name a company that would want to see their established technology blown out of the water...

You've got to wonder if it'll see the light of day, becuase like pretty much every other "revival" they disappear back into insignificance fairly quickly...

r988

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7,495 posts

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Tuesday 20th December 2005
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LRdriver II said:
from behind, it looks like a Lambo reversing


it does too, also has similar lines to a Weismann Coupe.

florian

298 posts

296 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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"Eddie Paul Industries", yeah right...

Visit their website to see their other creative developments:

victormeldrew

8,293 posts

299 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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Bit harsh Fabian!

This is more like it:





Mmm - that doesn't fit together too well does it!

Try this link instead


>> Edited by victormeldrew on Tuesday 20th December 11:50

ridds

8,366 posts

266 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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What about torque output?
What about emissions?
Self lubricating? How exactly?
How are you going to cool a bloody great lump of steel like that with the heat generated from 300hp?

Really, all these revolutions in engine design yet none of them end up being viable. They all claim benefits over certain areas of current engine design but 9/10 there is a large flaw somewhere that makes them useless in automotive application.

Car, tops! Very nice. Stick the Connaught V10 in it.

t0ny99

1,248 posts

263 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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"...it'll be a four-seater..."

What, side-by-side?

dinkel

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280 months

victormeldrew

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299 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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The inventor of that engine is the guy who modified all the cars for Grease and The Fast and the Furious,along with mechanical sharks and all sorts of other stuff.

Maybe his engine copes with all that "heat" from 300hp by being more efficient and not creating heat energy in the first place? The amount of heat produced is after all a measure of the inefficiency of an engine.

AlexRWD

1,254 posts

259 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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GTRene said:
I think it looks a lot like the beautiful Maybach Exelero! it only has shorter overhanges...stil a nice car though


I think it looks like the bastard offspring of a Morgan Aero 8, Bentley GT, and a Maybach.

victormeldrew

8,293 posts

299 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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Interesting design. I'd be concerned about piston/bore wear. Each piston is a true "boxer" - it is double ended and has a combustion chamber at each end, so one ends combustion phase is the opposing ends compression. No big crankshaft to add weight. Power take off is by whacking big cams which are fixed in position, with a pin in the centre of the pistons making the cylinder block spin to drive the driveshaft. There must be a lot of side loading on that pin, and resultant wear on the pistons/bore I'd have thought. No indication on the schematics or video how inlet and exhaust are controlled - no, I'm wrong, there are port in a disc on each end, a bit like the inlet port on a disc valve two stroke.

I can't see where the self lubricating or supercharged claims come from.

It'll be interesting to see if anything comes of it.

>> Edited by victormeldrew on Tuesday 20th December 12:22

GTRene

20,808 posts

246 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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Hope it works! could be interesting indeed...

But how will it sound like?
GTRene

Uriel

3,244 posts

273 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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[quote]New Torpedo Coupé to use radical engine[/quote]

Am I the only one that read that and thought it's going to need more torque than a v8 made from two bike engines!

Paula&Marcus

317 posts

296 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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Blah, Blah, Blah .......

Just a big bubble .... pop ...

We wont see the car nor the engine running ...

Cheers
Marcus

mx-tro

290 posts

242 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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victormeldrew said:
Maybe his engine copes with all that "heat" from 300hp by being more efficient and not creating heat energy in the first place? The amount of heat produced is after all a measure of the inefficiency of an engine.


If they expect to get get 300hp and 70mpg, I would think that is a pretty efficient conversion of energy compared to conventional engines. This company will have its work cut out to get a vehicle powered by this engine on the market though...

jagwirexkr

109 posts

265 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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I have seen the future, and it doesn't involve fuel cells..... yet. The CEM seems to use a similar design to the old swash plate fuel pumps.

Since the patent was granted a good while ago, I am concerned that this technology hasn't seen the light of day before, but hope they can get it out into the mainstream sharpish so I can reduce the standing order to BP.

As with heat rejection, a set of heat sinks on there would easily remove what heat rejection there was. Even with a huge fan, the weight is still going to be very competitive (aka power to weight). Wear would be a concern, maybe they should be talking to Mazda?

As with everyone else, I'm not sure I can see the "self-lubricating" aspect, unless some form of oil-impregnated material is used?