Gear selection - ideas?
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I'm having probems selecting a gear without graunching with the engine running, there's a lot of resistance with the engine not running also.
The amount of resistance in the stick when changing has recently increase until the other day a few miles from home when accelerating in 2nd quite gently I got a loud rattling noise similar to dropping a spoon in a waste disposal, backed off and got it home. Checked what I could nothing visually amiss. But go to drive into the garage and can't get a gear.
Checked clutch fluid level and it's fine, no leaks in or out, master cylinder changed in July, slave last month and clutch August 04. Pedal feels quite heavy but uniform thoughout it's travel.
The only curious thing I've noticed whilst having a quick root round today was a loose bolt on the bell housing, tried to tighten it but won't budge so appears cross threaded. Others that I can see from above seem okay.
Only other curious thing is since the slave was done occassionally the starter grates on the first push of the button, release immediately and fine the next push and starts as usual. Is this likely to be related?
Any ideas chaps?
Cheers
David
edited to add one last thing
>> Edited by davidn on Monday 26th December 15:41
The amount of resistance in the stick when changing has recently increase until the other day a few miles from home when accelerating in 2nd quite gently I got a loud rattling noise similar to dropping a spoon in a waste disposal, backed off and got it home. Checked what I could nothing visually amiss. But go to drive into the garage and can't get a gear.
Checked clutch fluid level and it's fine, no leaks in or out, master cylinder changed in July, slave last month and clutch August 04. Pedal feels quite heavy but uniform thoughout it's travel.
The only curious thing I've noticed whilst having a quick root round today was a loose bolt on the bell housing, tried to tighten it but won't budge so appears cross threaded. Others that I can see from above seem okay.
Only other curious thing is since the slave was done occassionally the starter grates on the first push of the button, release immediately and fine the next push and starts as usual. Is this likely to be related?
Any ideas chaps?
Cheers
David
edited to add one last thing
>> Edited by davidn on Monday 26th December 15:41
If the bolt will slacken off then its in the wrong hole. The bolts on the housing are different lengths. Its probably one from the bottom holes and the short one that should be in top hole is in the bottom hole - ooerr. Spotted the same thing on mine. Joo diagnosed and sorted it for me. He removed each bolt in turn until he found the short one and swapped them over.
Agree the clutch sounds like the fingers problem.
Agree the clutch sounds like the fingers problem.
It seems more common for the fingers to go on a clutch after the master or the slave have been overhauled. It must be something to do with the extra distanc the slave travels on the fingers and SNAP!
I understand that the clutch situation is not so bad now. One thnig I would look at is getting you clutch repaired by TVR Craft. They can overhaul and upgrade your clutch for £500, I think! It also includes a warranty, but I suspect you will have a wait until they have turned it around.
One question I would be asking is how the hell did the wrng bolts get put back? I assume that you had the slave carried out by a respected indy, or TVR dealer?
I understand that the clutch situation is not so bad now. One thnig I would look at is getting you clutch repaired by TVR Craft. They can overhaul and upgrade your clutch for £500, I think! It also includes a warranty, but I suspect you will have a wait until they have turned it around.
One question I would be asking is how the hell did the wrng bolts get put back? I assume that you had the slave carried out by a respected indy, or TVR dealer?
Hey E3D,
Yeah, the bolt thing is a bit of a concern but if it hasn't caused a problem then I guess no harm no foul.
My real concern is that the clutch was replaced 7000 miles ago by a main dealer in August 04, I've done 6000 of those since buying the car in April 05 - didn't last long then!
The recent slave was carrried out by the indie supplying dealer under warranty and I can't fault the service I've had from them so far.
The upgraded Craft clutch sounds tempting but I'm hoping the warranty (dealers own) will cover me as it sounds like failure rather than wear.
Just got to get it to them now and hope the clutch supply is back on line, don't fancy driving it 100 or so miles though.
Cheers
David
Yeah, the bolt thing is a bit of a concern but if it hasn't caused a problem then I guess no harm no foul.
My real concern is that the clutch was replaced 7000 miles ago by a main dealer in August 04, I've done 6000 of those since buying the car in April 05 - didn't last long then!
The recent slave was carrried out by the indie supplying dealer under warranty and I can't fault the service I've had from them so far.
The upgraded Craft clutch sounds tempting but I'm hoping the warranty (dealers own) will cover me as it sounds like failure rather than wear.
Just got to get it to them now and hope the clutch supply is back on line, don't fancy driving it 100 or so miles though.
Cheers
David
Extra 300 Driver said:
I understand that the clutch situation is not so bad now. One thnig I would look at is getting you clutch repaired by TVR Craft. They can overhaul and upgrade your clutch for £500, I think! It also includes a warranty, but I suspect you will have a wait until they have turned it around.
Only got back online after xmas, so apologies if this is a bit late
TVR seem to be supplying clutches again, as I've bought one off them. Tried to get one from TVRCraft and the refurb thing wasn't happening.
Not sure about the fingers. If the fingers had gone then there wouldn't be any resistance to putting your clutch foot all the way to the floor, as no fingers to get in the way of the slave piston travel.
The bolt in the gearbox is the reason I do my own servicing. The guy who put that in was in no doubt he'd used the wrong bolt, but just didn't care enough to do the right thing. No one is ever going to care as much about your car as you do, although it seems mark, jools and andy come a close second.
The bolt in the gearbox is the reason I do my own servicing. The guy who put that in was in no doubt he'd used the wrong bolt, but just didn't care enough to do the right thing. No one is ever going to care as much about your car as you do, although it seems mark, jools and andy come a close second.
Julian64 said:
The bolt in the gearbox is the reason I do my own servicing. The guy who put that in was in no doubt he'd used the wrong bolt, but just didn't care enough to do the right thing. No one is ever going to care as much about your car as you do, although it seems mark, jools and andy come a close second.
Thats why I do as much as I can, although its knowhere as much as some of you guys, who are more mechanically minded, and perhaps have better facilities for crawling around under a car. If I cant do it, then I too rely on guys like Jools, who you know take pride in their work.Update... Julian you were right - it's not the fingers. I've just heard that one of the springs on the clutch plate has broken but is still partially attached which would account for the rattle I heard but I am told this is classed as wear and not covered by the warranty.
I understand that the clutch is a weak point which is why I deliberatly plumped for a car that had a recent new clutch (500 miles before me buying it) and paid what I beleived to be a premium for it. So the clutch lasted just under 7000 miles and now it's time for another!
What's the general opinion on this, unlucky or should I be making a point with the dealer?
Cheers
David
I understand that the clutch is a weak point which is why I deliberatly plumped for a car that had a recent new clutch (500 miles before me buying it) and paid what I beleived to be a premium for it. So the clutch lasted just under 7000 miles and now it's time for another!
What's the general opinion on this, unlucky or should I be making a point with the dealer?
Cheers
David
If you bought that car from a dealer I would walk in and ask for a little understanding.
Cerbs having a reputation for reliability is one thing.
But blaming a clutch spring after 7000 miles on the reliability of cerberas is just plain wrong. Surely this is just faulty manufacture, not wear and tear
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You do mean the springs in the clutch plate itself don't you? If so the noise would be when engaging gear when they take the strain of the shunting of the engine gearbox connection.
Cerbs having a reputation for reliability is one thing.
But blaming a clutch spring after 7000 miles on the reliability of cerberas is just plain wrong. Surely this is just faulty manufacture, not wear and tear
. You do mean the springs in the clutch plate itself don't you? If so the noise would be when engaging gear when they take the strain of the shunting of the engine gearbox connection.
Julian,
Yes from a TVR only dealer but not franchised. Yes again, the springs on the clutch plate, there are 7 or 8 of them I think, I seem to recall the term anti rattle being used.
The more I think on the less I see it as wear and tear, the spring snapped just as say a clutch finger would which I was told would have been covered.
I've looked at my waranty and it specifies items covered under the clutch are: centre plate, pressure plate, release bearing, oil contamination of centre plate, master & slave cylinders. I assume these springs are fitted to either the centre or pressure plate unless someone call tell me otherwise.
Has anyone had this failure before, I've searched and there is no reference to it.
Thanks for the replies all, any opinions gratefully received.
Cheers
David
Yes from a TVR only dealer but not franchised. Yes again, the springs on the clutch plate, there are 7 or 8 of them I think, I seem to recall the term anti rattle being used.
The more I think on the less I see it as wear and tear, the spring snapped just as say a clutch finger would which I was told would have been covered.
I've looked at my waranty and it specifies items covered under the clutch are: centre plate, pressure plate, release bearing, oil contamination of centre plate, master & slave cylinders. I assume these springs are fitted to either the centre or pressure plate unless someone call tell me otherwise.
Has anyone had this failure before, I've searched and there is no reference to it.
Thanks for the replies all, any opinions gratefully received.
Cheers
David
The springs you are talking about (based on a normal clutch anyway) dont normally break. Because of this, I would have thought that you would be covered under the waranty for the breakage with an allowance for wear and tear, even though its done little mileage. Suggest you argue. Good luck.
Have a word with Billynomates, I believe he's had a similar thing on this Tuscan (the Thread he commented on was on the T350/Tamora/Sagaris forum iirc). Rest assured you're not alone in your clutch woes, I'm in the middle of resolving a similar debacle with a main dealer, it's been a complete ball ache thus far and the reasons are similar to those mentioned by Julian below 
Steve.
Edited to say: this thread www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?t=229916
>> Edited by Steve_T on Tuesday 3rd January 16:52
Steve.
Edited to say: this thread www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?t=229916
>> Edited by Steve_T on Tuesday 3rd January 16:52
davidn said:
Good point Purple, I can just see myself repeating that, thanks. Oh and Steve good luck with yours.
Cheers
David
Thanks David. I'd focus on the fact the the clutch is not worn out, an integral part of it has failed. I think was is why Phil's claim was accepted. I'll remind to take a look here when I next speak to him.
Cheers,
Steve.
Sorry just picked this up.
Glad it’s not the fingers, sounds a little cheaper now that’s its just a spring.
As the spring has failed, and its not worn out, this is classed as a material failure. The life of the spring must be greater then the life of the clutch friction plates, clearly the spring has failed way before its time.
I would talk to the warranty company and suggest that this is a material failure, not a design failure as the life of the component has not been achieved.
It depends how far you want to push this. I am a Warranty Manager and I certainly would say you had a case. But if you want to get it sorted as soon as possible you may be able to get a clutch specialist to fit a new spring. Failing that I can get my hands on a lightly used clutch if you need one.
With regards to the symptoms of the finger failure; when my fingers went the clutch pedal felt exactly the same, no different but the clutch would disengage. I had 5 fingers go kaput with some still attached, I admit that if all the fingers went there would be a lack of resistance, but I have never seen a case of all the fingers failing at the same time!
Glad it’s not the fingers, sounds a little cheaper now that’s its just a spring.
As the spring has failed, and its not worn out, this is classed as a material failure. The life of the spring must be greater then the life of the clutch friction plates, clearly the spring has failed way before its time.
I would talk to the warranty company and suggest that this is a material failure, not a design failure as the life of the component has not been achieved.
It depends how far you want to push this. I am a Warranty Manager and I certainly would say you had a case. But if you want to get it sorted as soon as possible you may be able to get a clutch specialist to fit a new spring. Failing that I can get my hands on a lightly used clutch if you need one.
With regards to the symptoms of the finger failure; when my fingers went the clutch pedal felt exactly the same, no different but the clutch would disengage. I had 5 fingers go kaput with some still attached, I admit that if all the fingers went there would be a lack of resistance, but I have never seen a case of all the fingers failing at the same time!
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