Audi v6, inline rather than transverse?
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Anyone know which of the later Audi's have had a V6 inline rather than transverse? was reading about the 3.2 V6 FSI but as far as I can find that's only fitted transversly.
Looked for alternatives but couldn't find if the VAG 2.7 T V6 was inline or not, or if it's been fitted to a 6 speed inline as I read that's a very strong box.
Looked for alternatives but couldn't find if the VAG 2.7 T V6 was inline or not, or if it's been fitted to a 6 speed inline as I read that's a very strong box.
The Audi v6 Twin turbo is always fitted inline. Audi gearboxes are pretty interchangeable, the 5 and 6 speed boxes should bolt straight to the v6. There is a spacer plate between the engine and box on the V6 twin turbos to give extra space for the bigger flywheel - be sure to get this if you buy an engine and box seperately because it is used whatever gearbox you fit. Don't try and convert a quattro box though - I started down this route, but the box is MUCH heavier and the two wheel drive boxes are easier to come by. If you get a box be careful to check what its off because the diesel gearing is not generally appropriate to petrol engines (the reve range is much lower, therefore they tend to have high final drives). If you tune the engine much (over 350 bhp) the two wheel drive boxes will be right at the top of their capacity (some say even that's too much) so you have to go to a Porsche G60 6 speed box with an adaptor plate.
Thanks for that GTMSpyder, some useful tips there. I haven't really started to look at the tunability of it other than having a re-map, and still not really worked out what performance increase that alone would give, but I think it's fair to say I'm not aiming for anything much above the 300bhp mark - more aiming at getting the car light as I can for it's style so I can get as much go from as little bhp as possible (well, within reason!!)
I can mail you a .pdf with a full description of the engine and electrics, but no scale schematics - although, as it happens I have a complete engine in my garage (with gearbox) you can come and measure (and do the Esprit suspension measurements at the same time if you like! (Leicester)...
I'm not certain if you already know this or not but there are two V6s in the Audi/VW range.
There's the VR6 as found in the golf. It also comes in 5 cylinder VR5 form. The engine is totally unlike most V engines as the angle of the V is so small that only one wide cylinder head is needed. In the Golf these engines are mounted transversely. This layout comes doubled up into a VR12 (also called W12), in the Bentley and the VW Pheaton. A further stretch of the VR family into a VR16 (also called W16) provides the engine for the Buggati Veyron. Another variant is a V8 (W8) composed of two VR4s. The V8, V12 and V16 variants have two separate banks of cylinders each of which is itself a V engine with a very narrow V angle to allow one cylinder to cover both banks. So these units have four rows of cylinders with the rows on each side very close together so that each side of the V only requires one cylinder head. Bizzarely, and confusingly, VW have produced concepts with three rows of four cylinders, called a W12, and three rows of VR6, called a W18. Viewed from the front the W18 had six rows of cylinders in three pairs, each pair having a common cylinder head. If you're not confused now, well done!
The other engine is the Audi V6. It's a standard layout 90 degree V6 and is fitted to the V6 Audi range and to the Porsche Cayenne. It is only used in a longitudinal layout. Compared to the VR-VR/W-W-W/VR range it's really very simple!
There's the VR6 as found in the golf. It also comes in 5 cylinder VR5 form. The engine is totally unlike most V engines as the angle of the V is so small that only one wide cylinder head is needed. In the Golf these engines are mounted transversely. This layout comes doubled up into a VR12 (also called W12), in the Bentley and the VW Pheaton. A further stretch of the VR family into a VR16 (also called W16) provides the engine for the Buggati Veyron. Another variant is a V8 (W8) composed of two VR4s. The V8, V12 and V16 variants have two separate banks of cylinders each of which is itself a V engine with a very narrow V angle to allow one cylinder to cover both banks. So these units have four rows of cylinders with the rows on each side very close together so that each side of the V only requires one cylinder head. Bizzarely, and confusingly, VW have produced concepts with three rows of four cylinders, called a W12, and three rows of VR6, called a W18. Viewed from the front the W18 had six rows of cylinders in three pairs, each pair having a common cylinder head. If you're not confused now, well done!
The other engine is the Audi V6. It's a standard layout 90 degree V6 and is fitted to the V6 Audi range and to the Porsche Cayenne. It is only used in a longitudinal layout. Compared to the VR-VR/W-W-W/VR range it's really very simple!
cymtriks, I was aware there was a difference, but I didn't know that much detail on it. I think I'll be sticking with the Audi going on what you have said there!! Much as I fancy a V12 (or a V16 for that matter) I think it's a teenie bit overkill for what I'm needing 
GTM you have mail!
GTM you have mail!
Yes basically, A3, A2 and TT are transverse. Also Polo, Golf, the new Passat.
A4, A6, A8 and old Passat are in-line.
Engines common to both can go either way round (1.9 TDi, 2.0 TDi 1.8 turbo etc)
Note V6's are not common to both -
A4, A6, A8, old Passat use Audi's plain old V6 (2.8, 3.0, 3.2)
A3, Golf, TT use Volkswagen's VR6. (2.8, 3.2-R32)
That's it.
A4, A6, A8 and old Passat are in-line.
Engines common to both can go either way round (1.9 TDi, 2.0 TDi 1.8 turbo etc)
Note V6's are not common to both -
A4, A6, A8, old Passat use Audi's plain old V6 (2.8, 3.0, 3.2)
A3, Golf, TT use Volkswagen's VR6. (2.8, 3.2-R32)
That's it.
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