Grippier Tyres..
Discussion
I've always stuck with Bridgestone S02's & 3's & have been very happy with the feedback from the road & the progressive break away that they give..
However - I'm not convinced that they offer the best overall grip in both wet & dry conditions.
If grip/roadholding was my main criteria - which tyre would you go for ??
However - I'm not convinced that they offer the best overall grip in both wet & dry conditions.
If grip/roadholding was my main criteria - which tyre would you go for ??
matzo said:
I've always stuck with Bridgestone S02's & 3's & have been very happy with the feedback from the road & the progressive break away that they give..
However - I'm not convinced that they offer the best overall grip in both wet & dry conditions.
If grip/roadholding was my main criteria - which tyre would you go for ??
Michelin Pilot Sport if you can get 'em in the sizes you need. Brilliant, if expensive. I have found them to be very hard wearing, even on track days, and to provide superb wet weather grip. Much better (on my car, for me) than the Pirellis.
matzo said:I've run them at 28psi front and rear (18" spiders) since being told by a dealer that TVR now advise this pressure. Judging from the history they've done around 13,000 miles, so at £140 a pop it can't be bad.
Thanks Tripps ! What tyre pressures do you run on the Eagles ? & how many miles did you get on the current rears ?
I don't think you'll find Goodyear GSD3s in the right size for your Griff, if I remember correctly you have to mix GSD2 (front) and GDS3 (rears). I don't know of anyone running a Griff on them anyway. I think they are great tyres, just not available for our fitment.
I think you'd be happy with Toyos (T1s), after a fairly long running in period (the rubber needs to go through a few heat cycles before getting to their best) they are ment to be quite good (very poor for the first few hundred miles though). I have Toyos now but won't get a chance to drive on them until the better weather comes.
If you do a lot of track work then maybe Toyos 888s would be a good idea, although these tyres are not great in standing water! And also won't last as long as a 'normal' tyre.
Edited to add: Very nice car by the way
>> Edited by David H on Wednesday 4th January 18:34
I think you'd be happy with Toyos (T1s), after a fairly long running in period (the rubber needs to go through a few heat cycles before getting to their best) they are ment to be quite good (very poor for the first few hundred miles though). I have Toyos now but won't get a chance to drive on them until the better weather comes.
If you do a lot of track work then maybe Toyos 888s would be a good idea, although these tyres are not great in standing water! And also won't last as long as a 'normal' tyre.
Edited to add: Very nice car by the way
>> Edited by David H on Wednesday 4th January 18:34
Not a scientific test, but a pal of mine and I compared Eagle F1s and Toyo T1S's at Oulton Park last year - admittedly the F1s were on a Tuscan S and the Toyos on my Chimaera. However, we noticed the F1s took much much longer to come up to temperature and had a propensity to tear dreadfully, whereas the Toyos warmed up very quickly and the wear looked markedly smoother, the tears on the surface were smaller and more evenly spread. Now a certain amount of this was undoubtedly down to Russ being a far better (and braver) driver than I, after all he spends most of his time across the world racing silly cars - but we were both shocked that the F1s which I had sworn by on my previous high output turbo Saabs were plainly not up to the job when it came to a TVR on a track.
End result was deciding that for track and road use, the Toyos were unbeatable, but for pure road use the F1s were more than adequate, just don't track them when cold, or for goodness sake go very carefully for a good number of laps... First run out he did fifteen laps of Oulton and they were still only barely warm.... not good news.
End result was deciding that for track and road use, the Toyos were unbeatable, but for pure road use the F1s were more than adequate, just don't track them when cold, or for goodness sake go very carefully for a good number of laps... First run out he did fifteen laps of Oulton and they were still only barely warm.... not good news.
I have to say wet weather grip is the most important thing with tyres, unless you're trying to shave a few tenths of your 'ring' laptime
As a bizarre choice I'm running Uniroyal rallye's on my wedge and found them to be superb in the wet far better than the Bridegstones.
Another important thing to note is sidewall stiffness, As I believe that Bridgestoen tend to have a stiffer sidewall than most so you can go stiffer on dampers and tyre pressure son other makes, whilst still maintaining a decent ride quality
Matt
As a bizarre choice I'm running Uniroyal rallye's on my wedge and found them to be superb in the wet far better than the Bridegstones.
Another important thing to note is sidewall stiffness, As I believe that Bridgestoen tend to have a stiffer sidewall than most so you can go stiffer on dampers and tyre pressure son other makes, whilst still maintaining a decent ride quality
Matt
redleicester said:
Not a scientific test, but a pal of mine and I compared Eagle F1s and Toyo T1S's at Oulton Park last year - admittedly the F1s were on a Tuscan S and the Toyos on my Chimaera. However, we noticed the F1s took much much longer to come up to temperature and had a propensity to tear dreadfully, whereas the Toyos warmed up very quickly and the wear looked markedly smoother, the tears on the surface were smaller and more evenly spread. Now a certain amount of this was undoubtedly down to Russ being a far better (and braver) driver than I, after all he spends most of his time across the world racing silly cars - but we were both shocked that the F1s which I had sworn by on my previous high output turbo Saabs were plainly not up to the job when it came to a TVR on a track.
End result was deciding that for track and road use, the Toyos were unbeatable, but for pure road use the F1s were more than adequate, just don't track them when cold, or for goodness sake go very carefully for a good number of laps... First run out he did fifteen laps of Oulton and they were still only barely warm.... not good news.
I don't understand why you got this. After 6 laps of Oulton on F1s, mine were nice and toasty/sticky. Seemed to wear OK too, guess it depends on the driver and how hard they attack the circuit. I'm not doubting you, I'm just saying I found F1s to warm up quickly and work well. Had Toyos on the Chimaera but I don't think that is a fair comparison, the suspension puts a lot more stress on the tyres for the same track times.
Interesting comment about suspension stress!
The Tuscan 1 S in question was supplied by TVR to Russ for evaluation, so had whatever their setup was at the time. As for driving style, mine was brave but competent, whereas as I said, Russ is a racing driver and knows what he's about - saw him catch the grass on the first corner after the pit straight, spin the car a complete 360 and charge off down the hill as if nothing had ever happened, awesome to watch!
To be honest, that's why I tempered my comments with the caveat that F1s are undoubtedly good tyres, as in all other situations I have found them to be good (though my personal preference on a Chim or Cerb is for Toyo) just that that one particular car seemed to have issues.
The Tuscan 1 S in question was supplied by TVR to Russ for evaluation, so had whatever their setup was at the time. As for driving style, mine was brave but competent, whereas as I said, Russ is a racing driver and knows what he's about - saw him catch the grass on the first corner after the pit straight, spin the car a complete 360 and charge off down the hill as if nothing had ever happened, awesome to watch!
To be honest, that's why I tempered my comments with the caveat that F1s are undoubtedly good tyres, as in all other situations I have found them to be good (though my personal preference on a Chim or Cerb is for Toyo) just that that one particular car seemed to have issues.
I've run F1 and Bridgstones on the same car, and found that while the Bridgestones were sticker and provided amazing dry grip, wet weather performance let them down, while the F1 are still very good in the dry, they are equally good in the wet.
On the Cerb with F1s the speed it can carry through wet country lanes beggars belief.
On the Cerb with F1s the speed it can carry through wet country lanes beggars belief.
ads said:
You could also try Dunlop SP9000's which you can get in the griff sizes, I have them on my Chim. I went from S0-2's to these and they seem very good in both wet and dry!
They're a comfy exec car tyre with softish sidewalls. I've got them on my Audi A6 and they are perfect for it, lots of grip and very quiet with good wear (I made the mistake of fitting S03s before - complete crap and inappropriate on the Audi - it tramlined everywhere) Sporty models have more 'severe' tyres usually such as the P Zero, F1, Pilot Sport or Toyo in TVRs case.
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