Gender equality 'is decades away'
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Perhaps they can legislate that men have to do their fair share of child bearing.
"It says action must be taken now to remove the barriers to women's success."
This is a key phrase, but the key barrier is nature.
"The commission has called for a legal requirement on employers to promote sex equality - and for more senior women to be allowed to work flexible hours"
How does this work?
If you have children however you structure it working a 40-50 hour week is still pretty tough.
"It says action must be taken now to remove the barriers to women's success."
This is a key phrase, but the key barrier is nature.
"The commission has called for a legal requirement on employers to promote sex equality - and for more senior women to be allowed to work flexible hours"
How does this work?
If you have children however you structure it working a 40-50 hour week is still pretty tough.
BBC said:
Gender equality 'is decades away'
Woman hold only 10% of senior posts in large firms, the study says
Women are still decades away from attaining the same status as men in public life, research suggests.
The Equal Opportunities Commission says the pace of change in politics is very slow, and that it will be 200 years before equality reaches Westminster.
Women now make up nearly half the workforce, but the EOC research says only a minority attain senior positions in both the public and private sectors.
It says action must be taken now to remove the barriers to women's success.
In large companies, the judiciary and the police force, only about 10% of senior roles are held by women, the EOC study says.
'Action needed'
And while 20% of MPs are women, the rate at which they are progressing in politics is slower than in other areas.
The commission says it will take 200 years for women to gain equal power in politics, unless the main parties make more effort to redress the balance.
Commission chairwoman Jenny Watson said: "Thirty years on from the Sex Discrimination Act, it is time for us to face some stark facts.
"Women will not make it to the top in significant numbers unless action is taken to remove the barriers that stand in their way, and Britain will continue to miss out on women's skills and talents for another generation."
Flexible hours
Other findings suggested it would take another 20 years before there was equality in the top management of the civil service and 40 years before women were treated equally at director level of FTSE 100 companies.
It would also be another 40 years until there was equality in the senior judiciary.
The research did point out that in some areas women were "reaching critical mass in some areas, including as heads of professional bodies (33%) and national arts organisations (33%)".
The commission has called for a legal requirement on employers to promote sex equality - and for more senior women to be allowed to work flexible hours.
It's fascinating how economies don't tend to collapse due to external pressures, rather it seems they rot from the inside out.
Competition from China is often cited as the reason for the continuing decline of Europe as an economic power, but I think it is as much as case that Europe is pusuing social policies which deystroy it's competetiveness as much as it being a case of the Chinese becoming more competative.
Doubtless legislation will be passed in order that a certain % of senior employees must be women, and that regardless of the hours they work they must be paid the same as their male colleagues, this will have the effect of making our industry steadily less competative.
Competition from China is often cited as the reason for the continuing decline of Europe as an economic power, but I think it is as much as case that Europe is pusuing social policies which deystroy it's competetiveness as much as it being a case of the Chinese becoming more competative.
Doubtless legislation will be passed in order that a certain % of senior employees must be women, and that regardless of the hours they work they must be paid the same as their male colleagues, this will have the effect of making our industry steadily less competative.
when women want to be taken seriously, they will be. as it stands, they look at everything from an emotional standpoint and take the hump at just about anything, and talk about bitchyness and politics, then there is the financial timebomb (from the company perspective) of children.
As with everything, there are exceptions to every rule and there are some exceptional women out there, but they will always achieve, they don't need all this positive discrimination bollox to make it happen.
As with everything, there are exceptions to every rule and there are some exceptional women out there, but they will always achieve, they don't need all this positive discrimination bollox to make it happen.
Where I work there are some wonderful females who compete on equal terms with men but it has to be said that whenever there is a seriously weak link, it tends to be female - sickness, emotions, stress, inability to make a decision. THere are men of similar ilk, I grant you. I just hope that one day men get treated the same as women. It'll be an easier life.
Axeman30 said:
It's fascinating how economies don't tend to collapse due to external pressures, rather it seems they rot from the inside out.
Competition from China is often cited as the reason for the continuing decline of Europe as an economic power, but I think it is as much as case that Europe is pusuing social policies which deystroy it's competetiveness as much as it being a case of the Chinese becoming more competative.
Doubtless legislation will be passed in order that a certain % of senior employees must be women, and that regardless of the hours they work they must be paid the same as their male colleagues, this will have the effect of making our industry steadily less competative.
Well Said
I think every powerful civilisation has been eaten away from within before being destroyed by external enemies.
I personally don't think that there are many so called "barriers" to womens success - having worked in large Corporates with capable women senior managers and directors.
The reason that the *majority* of FTSE 100 board members are men is mainly down to numbers and supply IMHO ( rather than barriers and prejudice):
1. most board directors will be 40+ Uni. educated ........ 20 - 25 years ago the majority of Uni. graduates were men.
2. some women grads from that era will have chosen to either have families/ career break or just not want the gut-busting slog to the top .
FWIW : on my MBA programme 17 years ago ( in my mid 20's) - over 90% were men , many of whom would be now at senior management / board level.
The reason that the *majority* of FTSE 100 board members are men is mainly down to numbers and supply IMHO ( rather than barriers and prejudice):
1. most board directors will be 40+ Uni. educated ........ 20 - 25 years ago the majority of Uni. graduates were men.
2. some women grads from that era will have chosen to either have families/ career break or just not want the gut-busting slog to the top .
FWIW : on my MBA programme 17 years ago ( in my mid 20's) - over 90% were men , many of whom would be now at senior management / board level.
alfaman said:
FWIW : on my MBA programme 17 years ago ( in my mid 20's) - over 90% were men , many of whom would be now at senior management / board level.
This is another issue.
Women have had equal opportunities for a period now. But its probably still only been a generation. It will take a couple of generations for this to permeate the workforce fully....to whatever extent its going to.
Trying to force the pace of the issue is economic suicide as some African countries have discovered with respect to their pace of change with respect to racial equality.
So what if they say its decades away...it *will* come eventually. Hopefully without economic suicide...
The reason they cannot force it is that women are women and men are men, although some men are more like women, and some women are more like men, generally speaking the two sexes have completely different natural priorities.
My Mrs speaks 5 languages, she's got a double first from Oxford, and if she wanted could have powered her way through a bank to the top far quicker than I ever could have ( largely due to the positive discrimination laws ) and what does she want to do? Give up work and start a family, as it is she was only ever preared to work as a teacher because she wanted a 'nice job'.
And that's fine.....what is not fine is to dressup her personal choice as some kind of discrimination or glass ceiling! On the face of it we graduated in the same year from the same university and have similar levels of qualification....yet I earn about 4 times what she does, and desipite what some wooly headed lentilist would have us believe that is not the result of discrimination but a result of me working approximately 4 times as many hours!
My Mrs speaks 5 languages, she's got a double first from Oxford, and if she wanted could have powered her way through a bank to the top far quicker than I ever could have ( largely due to the positive discrimination laws ) and what does she want to do? Give up work and start a family, as it is she was only ever preared to work as a teacher because she wanted a 'nice job'.
And that's fine.....what is not fine is to dressup her personal choice as some kind of discrimination or glass ceiling! On the face of it we graduated in the same year from the same university and have similar levels of qualification....yet I earn about 4 times what she does, and desipite what some wooly headed lentilist would have us believe that is not the result of discrimination but a result of me working approximately 4 times as many hours!
Jaglover said:
is not the result of discrimination but a result of me working approximately 4 times as many hours!
Is 'working' what you call the time spent on PH's
Maybe I mean cumulative hours before I started my current role. It's going to be a terrible shock if I get moved into a role that actually requires me to do something for a change.
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