Chipped Numberplate - Big Brother is watching
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Microchipped number plates join fight against vehicle crime
www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2002/11/29/emnplat30.xml
Electronic number plates, which will be "read" 24 hours a day by roadside microwave beacons and cameras, are to be introduced in 2004. By the end of 2007, the Government aims to have them on every road vehicle in Britain, writes Michael Kemp.
Each plate will have a microchip containing details of the vehicle's make, type, colour, engine, transmission, date and place of manufacture; its registered keeper; MoT status and insurance validity. False plates will automatically raise an alert through the police national computer in Hendon and the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency in Swansea. Computers will be programmable to find any wanted vehicle. It will mean new number plates being fitted to more than 29.2 million vehicles.
The chips will cost about £1 each and a set of electronic number plates up to £35, or more if a one-off tax is applied to make motorists pay for the roadside "reading" infrastructure.
The DVLA, which drew up the plans, is proposing that "the whole system is financed by taxation". The electronic readers, planned to be on every road, will cost "an estimated average £1,000 each when purchased in quantity and placed on existing poles and gantries". A probable installation cost of about £100 million will be "dramatically reduced" by sharing existing infrastructure. Marked and unmarked police cars will also be fitted with the readers.
Electronic number plates will be fitted by new vehicle suppliers and MoT testing stations. From the start of 2003, all number plate producers will be registered by law, under the Crime Prevention Act, and plates supplied only on production of a vehicle registration document and proof of entitlement by the vehicle's keeper.
By December 2007, the DVLA aims to introduce drive-in, paperless automated relicensing, which will spell the end for windscreen-mounted tax discs.
The electronic plates have been developed by Birmingham-based Hills Number Plates, which makes 50 per cent of Britain's registration tags. A spokesman said: "Relicensing will be like buying a drive-in hamburger. You will not need to leave the wheel. Just hand over a credit card and the whole process will be done electronically." Cash is expected to be accepted.
"Front and rear microchip number plates are now fully developed at an extra cost of no more than £1 each to the motor trade. Normally a microchip costs about £5, but by ordering tens of millions we have negotiated a considerably lower price.
"Hills is working closely with the DVLA and expects the go-ahead for electronic number plates in 2004. Microchip readers will be on the Trafficmaster (driver traffic information) radio masts that cover the main road network, and certain camera sites."
By 2004, the DVLA aims to have merged driver, vehicle and insurance records into a "single or virtually single" database from which the number-plate microchips will be programmed. New regulations will compel motorists and dealers to inform the DVLA within one working week of vehicle ownership changes.
www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2002/11/29/emnplat30.xml
Electronic number plates, which will be "read" 24 hours a day by roadside microwave beacons and cameras, are to be introduced in 2004. By the end of 2007, the Government aims to have them on every road vehicle in Britain, writes Michael Kemp.
Each plate will have a microchip containing details of the vehicle's make, type, colour, engine, transmission, date and place of manufacture; its registered keeper; MoT status and insurance validity. False plates will automatically raise an alert through the police national computer in Hendon and the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency in Swansea. Computers will be programmable to find any wanted vehicle. It will mean new number plates being fitted to more than 29.2 million vehicles.
The chips will cost about £1 each and a set of electronic number plates up to £35, or more if a one-off tax is applied to make motorists pay for the roadside "reading" infrastructure.
The DVLA, which drew up the plans, is proposing that "the whole system is financed by taxation". The electronic readers, planned to be on every road, will cost "an estimated average £1,000 each when purchased in quantity and placed on existing poles and gantries". A probable installation cost of about £100 million will be "dramatically reduced" by sharing existing infrastructure. Marked and unmarked police cars will also be fitted with the readers.
Electronic number plates will be fitted by new vehicle suppliers and MoT testing stations. From the start of 2003, all number plate producers will be registered by law, under the Crime Prevention Act, and plates supplied only on production of a vehicle registration document and proof of entitlement by the vehicle's keeper.
By December 2007, the DVLA aims to introduce drive-in, paperless automated relicensing, which will spell the end for windscreen-mounted tax discs.
The electronic plates have been developed by Birmingham-based Hills Number Plates, which makes 50 per cent of Britain's registration tags. A spokesman said: "Relicensing will be like buying a drive-in hamburger. You will not need to leave the wheel. Just hand over a credit card and the whole process will be done electronically." Cash is expected to be accepted.
"Front and rear microchip number plates are now fully developed at an extra cost of no more than £1 each to the motor trade. Normally a microchip costs about £5, but by ordering tens of millions we have negotiated a considerably lower price.
"Hills is working closely with the DVLA and expects the go-ahead for electronic number plates in 2004. Microchip readers will be on the Trafficmaster (driver traffic information) radio masts that cover the main road network, and certain camera sites."
By 2004, the DVLA aims to have merged driver, vehicle and insurance records into a "single or virtually single" database from which the number-plate microchips will be programmed. New regulations will compel motorists and dealers to inform the DVLA within one working week of vehicle ownership changes.
What...? A quid a piece down from a fiver...? I used to work for an RFID company and the tags were a quid each when bought in 100's. The tags we used could also store up to 16k of information. The ones that stored just 1k (still enough for this application) were about 20p a piece.
Still, after working for this bunch, I have the technology to read and write any tag made by any company (philips, gemplus, siemens etc) with one hand held reader. Should be able to crack this system easy.
Oh, and the readers are about £150 a piece, plus a big antenna makes about £200. A grand a piece installed. Someone's having a giraffe.
Anyways, who the fcuk wants to be tracked around the country...? If we all put an order in at Robinson Helicopter, say 5000 units wed get them at 20p each
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Still, after working for this bunch, I have the technology to read and write any tag made by any company (philips, gemplus, siemens etc) with one hand held reader. Should be able to crack this system easy.
Oh, and the readers are about £150 a piece, plus a big antenna makes about £200. A grand a piece installed. Someone's having a giraffe.
Anyways, who the fcuk wants to be tracked around the country...? If we all put an order in at Robinson Helicopter, say 5000 units wed get them at 20p each
"Front and rear microchip number plates are now fully developed at an extra cost of no more than £1 each to the motor trade. Normally a microchip costs about £5, but by ordering tens of millions we have negotiated a considerably lower price.
>> Edited by roop on Monday 2nd December 18:46
Dazren said: Pondering this, they can do all this stuff already by using a plate scanner and holding the info centrally, there is no need for the plate to hold a "chip".
Hidden Agenda Time again.
DAZ
I can spot 2 hidden agendas right away:
1) if you couple the numberplate reading with a time stamp, then you can monitor the movement of every car.
2) road charging
just how much more is Joe Average going to take before going out on the streets??
Rgds, WalterU
dennisthemenace said: They can fcuk right off if they think im going to have my bike chipped so they can moniter where i go what i dothis country feels more like a prison camp everyday where you have to be watched constantly why dont they just build a high wall with barbed wire on top around the coast
ver well put, I couldn't agree more
Rgds, WalterU
The road tolls will be acrued through the month and the money direct debited from your bank account details you will have to supply on your vehicle licence application. If for any reason you don't pay the chip will tell the authorities where to come to confiscate your vehicle! 
IMO the Torries could never have got away with the liberties this lot are taking...quite literally 
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>> Edited by Toffer on Monday 2nd December 20:23
IMO the Torries could never have got away with the liberties this lot are taking...quite literally >> Edited by Toffer on Monday 2nd December 20:22
>> Edited by Toffer on Monday 2nd December 20:23
You have to be F**king kidding.
This cannot happen. No way. No way on earth.
Damn, that almost spoilt my 150mph thrash & post thrash beers.
I do not beleive that this will be fraud proof. The "real" baddies will still have dodgy plates, and still get away with it, while us poor sods suffer the endless persecution of a b**tard government.
This cannot happen. No way. No way on earth.
Damn, that almost spoilt my 150mph thrash & post thrash beers.
I do not beleive that this will be fraud proof. The "real" baddies will still have dodgy plates, and still get away with it, while us poor sods suffer the endless persecution of a b**tard government.
False plates will automatically raise an alert through the police national computer in Hendon and the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency in Swansea.
It could be that I am being a little dim...
But how will a roadside 'tag' reader know if a false plate as just gone by!?!
Or even a vehicle without tagged plates?
What about foreign vehicles? Will it assume that a vehicle without a tag is not from this country?
How long before somebody cracks and/or clones the tag/plates?
How will the 'system' know if the tag on the vehicle *matches* the vehicle that's just gone by? Visual number plate, and even colour, recognition I could understand, but one that can tell the make and model as well? Nevermind the transmission...
Strikes me as another system that goes after the easy pickings of the law abiding, while ignoring the tricky problem of those that don't.
Although I also suspect a bit of journalist sensationalism.
Cheers, Phil
you aint seen me .......right
dennisthemenace said: Stick a chip on this bsatards
I assume that vehicles will be timed between between points and any "unchipped" vehicles will be "Gatso'd" should they complete the course within the time limit - so your plate is a good idea, mine however is a little less discrete.
hertsbiker said:I do not beleive that this will be fraud proof. The "real" baddies will still have dodgy plates, and still get away with it, while us poor sods suffer the endless persecution of a b**tard government.
You're absolutely right Carl. I think that in an ideal world, implemented correctly, the system could prove very useful in the fight against the criminal element who are turning this country into a cesspool of a police state. However, there's no way to fight people who simply don't give a shit about law and justice. They will always find a way to beat it or ignore it. Just look at the astonishing statistics for non-payment of fines.
The good honest citizens will pay dearly for this irreversable step towards Orwell's world, the scrotes will run riot.
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