The 14 day rule
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Help needed...got my photo taken by a speed camera in Tunbridge Wells coming home from the E.Sussex TVRCC firework display on the 9th November. Little brown envelope came through the post today, 3 points & £60.00. Ta very much. Cant argue with that, I was doing 41mph in a 30 limit, guilty as charged!
My question is, Im sure I read in the Sunday Times that the notification has to come through within 14 days of the photo being taken. Can anyone confirm this is the case (or not).
I wouldnt usually bother, my license is clean after 24 years of driving (somehow!)...Im just a little concerned because to be honest Ive had a bit of a run in with speed cameras over the past month...there may be more to come!!
Thanks in advance
Nick
My question is, Im sure I read in the Sunday Times that the notification has to come through within 14 days of the photo being taken. Can anyone confirm this is the case (or not).
I wouldnt usually bother, my license is clean after 24 years of driving (somehow!)...Im just a little concerned because to be honest Ive had a bit of a run in with speed cameras over the past month...there may be more to come!!
Thanks in advance
Nick
You don't have a problem with this one.
Someone somewhere (bobthebench) did a full AtoZ of what to say in your letter concerning the "Camera Office's" failure to notify you in the legally required time.
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=10&h=&t=15466
DAZ
Edited to add link and to say KEEP THE DATE STAMPED ENVELOPE as proof of there failure to follow procedure.
>> Edited by Dazren on Monday 2nd December 21:22
Someone somewhere (bobthebench) did a full AtoZ of what to say in your letter concerning the "Camera Office's" failure to notify you in the legally required time.
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=10&h=&t=15466
DAZ
Edited to add link and to say KEEP THE DATE STAMPED ENVELOPE as proof of there failure to follow procedure.
>> Edited by Dazren on Monday 2nd December 21:22
Cheers for the prompt reply Daz. I had a look at the thread & there does seem to be two schools of thought.
I may well go with Bobthebench's letter & see what happens.
The irony is each time this has happened Ive been driving the family car (Lexus IS200)not the toy (Griffith 500) I knew I shouldn't have laughed about this at the mid Kent meet yesterday! Best I order humble pie for pudding next time.
Nick
I may well go with Bobthebench's letter & see what happens.
The irony is each time this has happened Ive been driving the family car (Lexus IS200)not the toy (Griffith 500) I knew I shouldn't have laughed about this at the mid Kent meet yesterday! Best I order humble pie for pudding next time.
Nick
Iv'e just a fixed penalty notice as well 
Got caught by the sneeky cops in an unmarked van hiding behind a bush on a dual carriage way!
54mph in a 40mph.
Unfortunatly the notice arrived withing the 14 days.
My question is, what happens if you ignore the letter. Do the police have to send you the evidence (i.e. pictures)?
When you get the court summons and have also received the evidence can you just plead guilty and take the 3 points and £60 fine without the need to go to court?
Have insurance renewel in 2 months and if I can hold off on receiving the points I will save myself some money on the policy - i.e. still having a clean driving licence
Thanks for any advice!
Damn those smokeys !
Got caught by the sneeky cops in an unmarked van hiding behind a bush on a dual carriage way!
54mph in a 40mph.
Unfortunatly the notice arrived withing the 14 days.
My question is, what happens if you ignore the letter. Do the police have to send you the evidence (i.e. pictures)?
When you get the court summons and have also received the evidence can you just plead guilty and take the 3 points and £60 fine without the need to go to court?
Have insurance renewel in 2 months and if I can hold off on receiving the points I will save myself some money on the policy - i.e. still having a clean driving licence
Thanks for any advice!
Damn those smokeys !
As I recall it has to be SENT within 14 days, not received by you. They should send you a photo of your heinous and dsatardly offence if you ask, I think. (Sending them a photo of your cheque in return is not recommended!)
There's little you can do otherwise except check the legality of the siting - I believe The Speedtrap Bible (not sure of the URL) has everything you need to know. Also the ABD: www.abd.org.uk will have info on their site - in fact it's a good idea to join them anyway.
Best of luck.
There's little you can do otherwise except check the legality of the siting - I believe The Speedtrap Bible (not sure of the URL) has everything you need to know. Also the ABD: www.abd.org.uk will have info on their site - in fact it's a good idea to join them anyway.
Best of luck.
This makes quite interesting reading from quoted by a copper:
"I don't know how efficient the system is up with you but I know that down here if you fail to reply to the NIP then there is little chance of it being followed up due to the volume of paperwork involved.
What you need to do is fill in the form and photocopy it. Then bin the original and wait to see if you get a "follow up" letter. If this does arrive then reply stating you have complied with the request and supplied all the details. Also say that you have a copy of the form somewhere with the details on and can send it in if you can lay your hands on it! Try and appear as helpful as you can! The reason for this is that "hopefully" it will take longer than 6 months to sort out (yes it really can take this long!!) and if a summons isn't issued within 6 months of the offence then it is "statute barred".
In other words, you've got away with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "
"I don't know how efficient the system is up with you but I know that down here if you fail to reply to the NIP then there is little chance of it being followed up due to the volume of paperwork involved.
What you need to do is fill in the form and photocopy it. Then bin the original and wait to see if you get a "follow up" letter. If this does arrive then reply stating you have complied with the request and supplied all the details. Also say that you have a copy of the form somewhere with the details on and can send it in if you can lay your hands on it! Try and appear as helpful as you can! The reason for this is that "hopefully" it will take longer than 6 months to sort out (yes it really can take this long!!) and if a summons isn't issued within 6 months of the offence then it is "statute barred".
In other words, you've got away with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "
bandit said: Iv'e just a fixed penalty notice as well
Got caught by the sneeky cops in an unmarked van hiding behind a bush on a dual carriage way!
54mph in a 40mph.
Unfortunatly the notice arrived withing the 14 days.
My question is, what happens if you ignore the letter. Do the police have to send you the evidence (i.e. pictures)?
When you get the court summons and have also received the evidence can you just plead guilty and take the 3 points and £60 fine without the need to go to court?
Have insurance renewel in 2 months and if I can hold off on receiving the points I will save myself some money on the policy - i.e. still having a clean driving licence
Thanks for any advice!
Damn those smokeys !
Ummm - not a good idea to ignore it really - you then get done for both the speeding ticket thingummy AND up to £1000 for "failing to identify the driver" . two offences for the price of one. Its best to reply in one form or another - there are some scams you can try on to drag it out before the points come winging your way (or not, if you get lucky!)
Bandit,
I was in a similar situation recently. Got lasered on 18 Sep, managed not to get points on licence until last weekend – one week after I took out my Tuscan insurance, so very convenient from an insurance premium point of view.
First, ask for the photos. You get 28 days to say who was driving so leave it to the last minute to send off the form. Then it takes them a while to process it and send you another letter giving you another 28 days to send off your licence and cheque, leave it to the last minute again. Then takes them a few days to endorse the licence and send it back.
I called my insurance company when I got the licence back with the points on it. They said they would add the points to my insurance record but wouldn’t charge me any extra premium until the next renewal – result!
I was in a similar situation recently. Got lasered on 18 Sep, managed not to get points on licence until last weekend – one week after I took out my Tuscan insurance, so very convenient from an insurance premium point of view.
First, ask for the photos. You get 28 days to say who was driving so leave it to the last minute to send off the form. Then it takes them a while to process it and send you another letter giving you another 28 days to send off your licence and cheque, leave it to the last minute again. Then takes them a few days to endorse the licence and send it back.
I called my insurance company when I got the licence back with the points on it. They said they would add the points to my insurance record but wouldn’t charge me any extra premium until the next renewal – result!
bandit said: Iv'e just a fixed penalty notice as well
Got caught by the sneeky cops in an unmarked van hiding behind a bush on a dual carriage way!
54mph in a 40mph.
Unfortunatly the notice arrived withing the 14 days.
My question is, what happens if you ignore the letter. Do the police have to send you the evidence (i.e. pictures)?
When you get the court summons and have also received the evidence can you just plead guilty and take the 3 points and £60 fine without the need to go to court?
Have insurance renewel in 2 months and if I can hold off on receiving the points I will save myself some money on the policy - i.e. still having a clean driving licence
Thanks for any advice!
Damn those smokeys !
Thanks TSS.
Still won't give me enough time before the insurace renewel. Does anyone out there know what happens if you don't reply to the fixed penalty notice???
Do they send you the evidence photos and a court date?
Will they increase the fine points if you ask for the evidence?
Do you still have to go to court even if you plead guilty after the evidence has been given?
There must be some plod out there with a fast car who knows??
Still won't give me enough time before the insurace renewel. Does anyone out there know what happens if you don't reply to the fixed penalty notice???
Do they send you the evidence photos and a court date?
Will they increase the fine points if you ask for the evidence?
Do you still have to go to court even if you plead guilty after the evidence has been given?
There must be some plod out there with a fast car who knows??
From what I've read above, there are some dangerous (to your license) comments knocking around.
Whilst the 6 month Statutory limit applies to summary only offences .... i.e. if the commencement of legal proceedings fails to start within 6 months of the driver being identified is true (and note this applies from the date of the driver being identified not the date of the offence), some of the advice about delaying response and 14 days is nonsense..sorry has to be said.
Once the Camera Process Team identify the car registration number, they'll check for the registered owners details and send off the Request for Drivers Details form. You should comply with the time limit stated and if you do not you may receive a substantial fine for this alone.
Once the Drivers Details form has been completed by you and then received by the Camera Process team then the Conditional Fixed Penalty offer is made and sent to the driver named in the first form by normal post.
Ignore this or not pay/accept the FPN within the time limit and 1)you will probably receive a summons to court and 2)Fines and points issued may be more than the conditional FPN offered.
If you muck about, deciding to opt for a court appearance then at the last minute plead guilty then again expect a higher fine, costs and maybe more points.
I have experienced this system from both sides - as a driver of a private motor car and as a Police Officer enforcing (rarely!) speed legislation.
Although the web quotes many get out of jail free scenarios, very few cut the mustard and failure following the use of such ploys ensures higher penalties...
Depressing isn't it ?
Whilst the 6 month Statutory limit applies to summary only offences .... i.e. if the commencement of legal proceedings fails to start within 6 months of the driver being identified is true (and note this applies from the date of the driver being identified not the date of the offence), some of the advice about delaying response and 14 days is nonsense..sorry has to be said.
Once the Camera Process Team identify the car registration number, they'll check for the registered owners details and send off the Request for Drivers Details form. You should comply with the time limit stated and if you do not you may receive a substantial fine for this alone.
Once the Drivers Details form has been completed by you and then received by the Camera Process team then the Conditional Fixed Penalty offer is made and sent to the driver named in the first form by normal post.
Ignore this or not pay/accept the FPN within the time limit and 1)you will probably receive a summons to court and 2)Fines and points issued may be more than the conditional FPN offered.
If you muck about, deciding to opt for a court appearance then at the last minute plead guilty then again expect a higher fine, costs and maybe more points.
I have experienced this system from both sides - as a driver of a private motor car and as a Police Officer enforcing (rarely!) speed legislation.
Although the web quotes many get out of jail free scenarios, very few cut the mustard and failure following the use of such ploys ensures higher penalties...
Depressing isn't it ?
TSS said:I was in a similar situation recently. Got lasered on 18 Sep, managed not to get points on licence until last weekend – one week after I took out my Tuscan insurance, so very convenient from an insurance premium point of view.
Just a thought - do insurance forms not ask about convictions, points, and any pending convictions or points? I would have thought youd' have to tell them you were expecting some, otherwise you've just invalidated your insurance.
Could be wrong (its not unknown
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craigw said: does the 14 day rule apply to traffic light cameras too ?
The 14 day rule applies to all those traffic offences that require an NIP. Failing to comply with a Section 22 traffic sign (of which a traffic light is one) or a Police officer engaged in point duty, are amongst those requiring NIP.
craigw said: think I "might" be in the clear then (he said touching wood). Thanks for info Madcop.
If the NIP was dispatched for your ATS offence (including temporary ones at road works) after the 14 days from the date of the offence, not including the day of the offence, you can state that it was not in time.
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