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jackgta

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270 posts

243 months

Monday 9th January 2006
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Hi guys,
Just looking for a bit of feedback on this photo I took the other night. I'm using a Canon Powershot s50, hoping to upgrade to a DSLR soon though. Anyway, could you guys pass your gaze over this and let me know what I could do to make it better?



Cheers!
Jack

GetCarter

30,726 posts

302 months

Monday 9th January 2006
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jackgta said:

Jack said - stuff


I'm no car pic expert... but:

Not too much wrong with the car - you cleaned it didn't you Perhaps the back is just a little too dark. I guess for me it's the background that lets it down... looks like a Tesco car park. If you check out Matt's car pics - he spends a lot of time finding the right background which serve to enhance the feel of the car. www.mattwatkinson.com/galleries/index.htm

Steve



>> Edited by GetCarter on Monday 9th January 17:05

te51cle

2,342 posts

271 months

Monday 9th January 2006
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You chose an interesting angle and got down to bonnet level which makes the composition good, you could go a couple of inches lower still if you like. I don't have a problem with the car park setting as its an urban car so this would be its normal environment, but the fence post coming up behind the middle of the bonnet could be cloned out. Colour balance is a little yellow/orange which could be sorted either at time of taking or in Photoshop depending on which is more convenient. However the most serious thing is that it needs some more light on the side of the car to match it up with that on the front. What did you use for lighting ?

Oh, and what on earth is that dangling from the mirror ?

V6GTO

11,579 posts

265 months

Monday 9th January 2006
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Cropped a lot of the dark part and burned out the detail in what's left, then cloned out the dangly thing on the rear view mirror, the tax disx and some stones in the forground. It would have been better if you had used some sort of relector (or remote flash)to brighten up the back, but that's a bit picky. Get the dslr, you owe it to yourself



Martin.

>> Edited by V6GTO on Monday 9th January 17:36

>> Edited by V6GTO on Monday 9th January 18:40

740i

290 posts

263 months

Monday 9th January 2006
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V6
I admire your work, but unless my pc is playing up you have made a right mess of your editing mate.

V6GTO

11,579 posts

265 months

Monday 9th January 2006
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740i said:
V6
I admire your work, but unless my pc is playing up you have made a right mess of your editing mate.


How so?

GetCarter

30,726 posts

302 months

Monday 9th January 2006
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740i said:
V6
I admire your work, but unless my pc is playing up you have made a right mess of your editing mate.


Looks fine here... bits done just like the man said.

..and what WAS the dangly thing?

FunkyNige

9,700 posts

298 months

Monday 9th January 2006
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Resize it to 750 pixels wide to stop the jagged edges appearing on PH (that goes to you two V6, tut tut).

V6GTO

11,579 posts

265 months

Monday 9th January 2006
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FunkyNige said:
Resize it to 750 pixels wide to stop the jagged edges appearing on PH (that goes to you two V6, tut tut).


Done...

jackgta

Original Poster:

270 posts

243 months

Tuesday 10th January 2006
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Thanks guys, very helpful!
Dangly things an air freshener, but I'm going to get rid of it now lol.
For light, I was just relying on the car park's sodium lights, didn't use the flash at all.
Using the camera settings, how could you get the darker areas to come out better when taking shots like this?

imperialism2024

1,596 posts

279 months

Tuesday 10th January 2006
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jackgta said:
Thanks guys, very helpful!
Dangly things an air freshener, but I'm going to get rid of it now lol.
For light, I was just relying on the car park's sodium lights, didn't use the flash at all.
Using the camera settings, how could you get the darker areas to come out better when taking shots like this?


Use a tripod and exposure bracketing. Then use PS to combine the two photos. Er, that would probably be the cheapest way. I've never done it before, though I've read about the method.

Andy Mac

73,668 posts

278 months

Tuesday 10th January 2006
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Isn't PS a bit of a cop-out? Isn't it better to get the picture as was, rather than just sorting it out later at home? I don't have PS, and have never used anything like that. Doesn't it sort of defeat the object of a decent photograph?

imperialism2024

1,596 posts

279 months

Tuesday 10th January 2006
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Andy Mac said:
Isn't PS a bit of a cop-out? Isn't it better to get the picture as was, rather than just sorting it out later at home? I don't have PS, and have never used anything like that. Doesn't it sort of defeat the object of a decent photograph?


Yes and no.

It depends how one looks at photography.

If photography is a science of observation, capturing life as it is, then yes, PS defiles photography.

But if photography is art, then any technique possible is perfectly acceptable. This includes using different film types, filters, and yes, PS. The goal is to express an idea through realism, not necessarily imitate real life.

I find myself in the latter camp. You'll find very few of my photographs look absolutely realistic. To me, life and space is too boring to merely imitate, and needs to be expressed. I'll take something simple and bland and make it exotic. Anyone can observe life objectively; photography takes a different angle. If anything, digital processing has just advanced the field of photography as an art, making it easier to adjust photographs, and as long as done correctly, make better photographs.

_dobbo_

14,619 posts

271 months

Tuesday 10th January 2006
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Andy Mac said:
Isn't PS a bit of a cop-out? Isn't it better to get the picture as was, rather than just sorting it out later at home? I don't have PS, and have never used anything like that. Doesn't it sort of defeat the object of a decent photograph?


Hi Andy!

I'm a firm PS "cheat" and for me it forms a huge part of the enjoyment I get out of taking photographs. Don't forget that when shooting with digital there are some compromises - such as lack of dynamic range - which mean you aren't capturing what is there, and are somewhat hamstrung - this can be corrected easily and quickly in PS.

There are a lot of people who don't use it, but I strongly feel that there is no photograph you or anybody else could possibly take that could not be improved (usually substantially) in PS.

agent006

12,058 posts

287 months

Tuesday 10th January 2006
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Andy Mac said:
Isn't PS a bit of a cop-out? Isn't it better to get the picture as was, rather than just sorting it out later at home? I don't have PS, and have never used anything like that. Doesn't it sort of defeat the object of a decent photograph?


PS is just the digital version of messing around in the darkroom.

poah

2,142 posts

251 months

Tuesday 10th January 2006
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just the lack of light at the back. nice shot

cirks

2,526 posts

306 months

Tuesday 10th January 2006
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agent006 said:

PS is just the digital version of messing around in the darkroom.

That's completely untrue...there are lots of things you can get up to in a darkroom that would physically be impossible in PS That's why I prefer the 'hands-on' approach of traditional processing
apologies for bringing smut into the thread

jackgta

Original Poster:

270 posts

243 months

Tuesday 10th January 2006
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As a bit of a novice when it comes to photography, I'm trying to get the best shots I can with at the camera end of things, otherwise I'll end up relying on photoshop to make good some pretty bad pictures. Nothing against using it though, I just want to learn how to use the camera first!
Looking at getting a d50 pretty soon, don't suppose anyone has one they don't want anymore?

te51cle

2,342 posts

271 months

Tuesday 10th January 2006
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jackgta said:
Using the camera settings, how could you get the darker areas to come out better when taking shots like this?

Can't really be done in camera, what you'll have to do is move the car to another spot in the car park where the light is more even from both sides. Say somewhere around halfway between the lights though it might be less bright. Be prepared for a lot of shuffling about, easier with you giving directions to someone you can trust to follow them ! Alternatively shoot a little earlier in the evening so that there's still some daylight around to provide some fill-in light to balance up the artificial ones.

daaaveee

915 posts

246 months

Wednesday 11th January 2006
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i like that shot, but maybe i am biased! i have some similar shots of mine... clicky...

i agree with what people said about the dark rear end, but i'm a newbie so i'm afraid i cant comment much more than that! also the PSing helps to clean it up considerably in my eyes

Dave