Overlist price for 997 turbo?

[Kaiser Soze]

I wonder if any of you guys can come up with a figure you'd think they would sell for once released in uk (based on how much 996 turbos were sold for back then over the list and beaing in mind the roumor about short supply of 997 turbos compared to 996 turbos and 2 years waiting list and any other parameters you can think of.)

any help appreciated


ps. I have a 996 turbo at the moment and according to my opc dealer I am far up the list to get a 997 turbo ( I paid the deposite originally back in 2001 but never went head with purchase of a brand new one so my name was just moved over to 997 turbo list)

[poorcardealer]

I think the very first cars into the UK will fetch £10K over but not for long, it is only a semi educated guess though as no one really knows

[ChrisW.]

I have a very early deposit for a 997 Turbo and am being asked to spec a car at launch in Geneva for June time delivery ?

But my GT3 is so fab and --- my Boxster does the comfort thing plus roof down, I am not sure what to do.

I let a C4S go at it's list and may do the same with the Turbo.

Had my fingers very badly singed on a CSL that was bought well before any had been driven .... great car, just not as good as the GT3 and cost me a fortune !

[dazren]

ChrisW. said:

I have a very early deposit for a 997 Turbo and am being asked to spec a car at launch in Geneva for June time delivery ?

Out of curiosity are Porsche offering a power upgrade version. If so how much BHP/torque?

thanks

DAZ
(sticking with the 996tt having declined an early 997tt slot)

[ChrisW.]

There's not enough information yet to spec a car --- but I was told that it shouldn't be long.

Talk is of stanndard 450 with the upgrade maybe as much as 500 but ?

You can't believe what you read in the papers !

[MOD500]

I am very keen to hear how the car drives with the new variable geometry turbos, should be epic

[rumplestiltskin]

Have an option on one of the first 997TT's, for spring delivery.
Struggling to justify an extra £50k over my current 996TT, which is fantastic.

The dealer is saying to me the car will be around "£90 - £95k" list & thinks £5k over list if I sold it straight away, when demand/interest is at its peak.

I also spoke to another dealer who was saying lots of people are bailing out of their option to buy & he thinks that there will be cars available this year.

I am sure it will be a great car, but I am struggling to justify the extra £45k over my current 996TT, which is fantastic.

R.

[cyrus1971]

Having driven a 993 Turbo and then owned my current 996 Turbo IMHO the 996 is a significant step forward as a car. Especially at straight line high speed and as well as confidence with the back end in the twisties. In other words the difference between a 993 and 996 Turbo is a marked one. I really do wonder if the step up will be the same from the 996 to the 997 Turbo ? Is there that much of a margin for improvement - apart from power ? Perhaps this is why Porsche are making it less available and hence more exclusive to maintain values on a car they know can not offer the leap (and customer enthusiasm) the 996 TT did ? Probably not, probably just brand strategy, but a possibility none the less.

NB Comment on 993's is not meant to provoke - current prices suggest classic status, and that's usually deservedly so.

[persuader]

ChrisW. said:

There's not enough information yet to spec a car --- but I was told that it shouldn't be long. Talk is of stanndard 450 with the upgrade maybe as much as 500 but ? You can't believe what you read in the papers !

480 BHP Standard
520 BHP S Upgrade which will probably be out after one year.
Order guides are out in some countries.

[Gareth W]

rumplestiltskin said:

Have an option on one of the first 997TT's, for spring delivery. Struggling to justify an extra £50k over my current 996TT, which is fantastic. The dealer is saying to me the car will be around "£90 - £95k" list & thinks £5k over list if I sold it straight away, when demand/interest is at its peak. I also spoke to another dealer who was saying lots of people are bailing out of their option to buy & he thinks that there will be cars available this year. I am sure it will be a great car, but I am struggling to justify the extra £45k over my current 996TT, which is fantastic. R.

You are under stating the scarcity of the 997 Turbo in the UK really. OPC's here will be getting no more than 3 cars each (1 dealer car/one or two customer cars) this year and that will create an intense demand for the car.

UK cars available in the first 2 months of importation will command a premium (for those that way inclined) of £15,000-£20,000. UK spec C16 imports available in the same time frame will command a premium at around £10,000-£12,0000. In 2000 when the 996TT was launched cars available in the first 3-5 months sold (not advertised, but SOLD) for £10-£17,000 over UK list and the supply was better (more) than the 997 for this year.

The major difference between the market now and 6 years ago is that the "window" for premiums is far shorter....for good examples of that look to the Ferrari F430/AM V8 etc.

[POORCARDEALER]

Gareth W said:

rumplestiltskin said: Have an option on one of the first 997TT's, for spring delivery. Struggling to justify an extra £50k over my current 996TT, which is fantastic. The dealer is saying to me the car will be around "£90 - £95k" list & thinks £5k over list if I sold it straight away, when demand/interest is at its peak. I also spoke to another dealer who was saying lots of people are bailing out of their option to buy & he thinks that there will be cars available this year. I am sure it will be a great car, but I am struggling to justify the extra £45k over my current 996TT, which is fantastic. R. You are under stating the scarcity of the 997 Turbo in the UK really. OPC's here will be getting no more than 3 cars each (1 dealer car/one or two customer cars) this year and that will create an intense demand for the car. UK cars available in the first 2 months of importation will command a premium (for those that way inclined) of £15,000-£20,000. UK spec C16 imports available in the same time frame will command a premium at around £10,000-£12,0000. In 2000 when the 996TT was launched cars available in the first 3-5 months sold (not advertised, but SOLD) for £10-£17,000 over UK list and the supply was better (more) than the 997 for this year. The major difference between the market now and 6 years ago is that the "window" for premiums is far shorter....for good examples of that look to the Ferrari F430/AM V8 etc.

Interesting stuff, but how do you know and how can you know the exact premium a car will fetch?? Do you have a crystal ball??

>> Edited by POORCARDEALER on Friday 20th January 12:03

[aceparts_com]

cyrus1971 said:

Having driven a 993 Turbo and then owned my current 996 Turbo IMHO the 996 is a significant step forward as a car. Especially at straight line high speed and as well as confidence with the back end in the twisties. In other words the difference between a 993 and 996 Turbo is a marked one. I really do wonder if the step up will be the same from the 996 to the 997 Turbo ? Is there that much of a margin for improvement - apart from power ? Perhaps this is why Porsche are making it less available and hence more exclusive to maintain values on a car they know can not offer the leap (and customer enthusiasm) the 996 TT did ? Probably not, probably just brand strategy, but a possibility none the less. NB Comment on 993's is not meant to provoke - current prices suggest classic status, and that's usually deservedly so.

This is not the first shot of a 993TT vs 996TT war but I think the difference in performance is more a psychological than physical one.
I had the chance last weekend to chase around both a standard 996 turbo and an X50 at bedford. Now we'll forget about cornering for a moment but I know for a fact that down the straight there is literally nothing in it between the 993 and 996 turbo up to around 140. In acceleration from around 40-120 the X50 would gently pull away from me.

Comments from my 993tt and 996tt x50 friend (he had them both at bedford) were that the 996tt felt effortless.

[silver993tt]

aceparts_com said:

cyrus1971 said: Having driven a 993 Turbo and then owned my current 996 Turbo IMHO the 996 is a significant step forward as a car. Especially at straight line high speed and as well as confidence with the back end in the twisties. In other words the difference between a 993 and 996 Turbo is a marked one. I really do wonder if the step up will be the same from the 996 to the 997 Turbo ? Is there that much of a margin for improvement - apart from power ? Perhaps this is why Porsche are making it less available and hence more exclusive to maintain values on a car they know can not offer the leap (and customer enthusiasm) the 996 TT did ? Probably not, probably just brand strategy, but a possibility none the less. NB Comment on 993's is not meant to provoke - current prices suggest classic status, and that's usually deservedly so. This is not the first shot of a 993TT vs 996TT war but I think the difference in performance is more a psychological than physical one. I had the chance last weekend to chase around both a standard 996 turbo and an X50 at bedford. Now we'll forget about cornering for a moment but I know for a fact that down the straight there is literally nothing in it between the 993 and 996 turbo up to around 140. In acceleration from around 40-120 the X50 would gently pull away from me. Comments from my 993tt and 996tt x50 friend (he had them both at bedford) were that the 996tt felt effortless.

The 996TT has more efficient sound proofing giving the "effortless" feel. When I drove one it sounded to ordinary so I plumped for the 993TT which sounded more special even though not as nice as a NA car. More modern cars insulate the driver and others in teh cockpit from noise, feel of the road etc giving the impression of effortless progress.

[rumplestiltskin]

480bhp sounds a lot for a standard car, but suppose it has to better the 450 of the Turbo S's, & why have other countries got this info before the UK (surely one of the biggest markets)
I have been hounding my dealer for details (any details) on the car & he has drawn a blank.
At the moment it feels like I am caughing up over £50k to change from a 996TT to a 997TT & I havn't even seen any proper pictures of it let alone specs. The pictures I have seen made me doubt my decision too, so my thinking is £50k for a car that (probably) drives a bit better and is more powerful (though I can modify the 996TT to 500bhp easy)

R.

[silver993tt]

rumplestiltskin said:

480bhp sounds a lot for a standard car, but suppose it has to better the 450 of the Turbo S's, & why have other countries got this info before the UK (surely one of the biggest markets) I have been hounding my dealer for details (any details) on the car & he has drawn a blank. At the moment it feels like I am caughing up over £50k to change from a 996TT to a 997TT & I havn't even seen any proper pictures of it let alone specs. The pictures I have seen made me doubt my decision too, so my thinking is £50k for a car that (probably) drives a bit better and is more powerful (though I can modify the 996TT to 500bhp easy) R.

Well, why not wait 6 - 12 months after launch an pick one up with 2-3k miles and 10-15% under list? Also, you may be able to get 500bhp out of the 996tt but probably an easy 600-620bhp out of the 997tt

[mutt k]

Slightly different I know, but in the Sunday Times last weekend new Caymans (Caymen?) were being offered at anything from list to a premium of £5k. Is anything but the rarest car going to do much better these days?

[dazren]

rumplestiltskin said:

At the moment it feels like I am caughing up over £50k to change from a 996TT to a 997TT & I havn't even seen any proper pictures of it let alone specs. The pictures I have seen made me doubt my decision too, so my thinking is £50k for a car that (probably) drives a bit better and is more powerful (though I can modify the 996TT to 500bhp easy)

Must be tempting to keep the 996tt and blow the £50k on a GT3 to park next to it........

DAZ

[superlightr]

[quote=dazrenMust be tempting to keep the 996tt and blow the £50k on a GT3 to park next to it........

DAZ[/quote]

I fancey a Range Rover... 996tt + Range Rover Hmmmmmm Lovely.

[GuyR]

silver993tt said:

Also, you may be able to get 500bhp out of the 996tt but probably an easy 600-620bhp out of the 997tt

Probably not true. It's very easy to tune a 996TT to gain 80-100bhp as it runs relatively low boost to start with. If the 997TT comes with 480bhp as stock it will be running in a more 'tuned' state, which makes it harder to get extra bhp easily. All indications are that the basic engine is the same 3.6, but the turbo technology has changed to VTG, which primarily helps torque. Also unless they fit stronger internals as standard (rods and rob-bolts) then you risking trying to go near 600bhp.

[Deutscher]

mutt k said:

Slightly different I know, but in the Sunday Times last weekend new Caymans (Caymen?) were being offered at anything from list to a premium of £5k. Is anything but the rarest car going to do much better these days?

I'm not sure that these Caymans are even making list, let alone getting a premium.