Any pilots on PH?
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I've been pondering with the idea of taking up flying but always been put off by what I pressumed would be the high cost.
However, I found myself at Biggin Hill yesterday looking at the PPL courses they had to offer and the prices seemed reasonable and pay as you go schemes available.
Any PH'ers done this course either as a hobby or with serious intentions? I seem to remember a post on PH Pilots but cant find it in the achive.
Beware, one you make yourself known I will bombard you with questions!!!
However, I found myself at Biggin Hill yesterday looking at the PPL courses they had to offer and the prices seemed reasonable and pay as you go schemes available.
Any PH'ers done this course either as a hobby or with serious intentions? I seem to remember a post on PH Pilots but cant find it in the achive.
Beware, one you make yourself known I will bombard you with questions!!!
Hi Rob.
I did my PPL in 1993 Years ago at Biggin Hill.
Started with Biggin Hill School of Flying then moved over to Surrey and Kent Flying School as they were better value for money at the time plus you end up paying for all that "packaging" at BHSF.
BH is a good place to learn either way.
Just remember my first lesson when taking off there ! Immediately you look down and there is this massive valley the moment you leave the airport ! think its around 600ft above sea level !?
The Grumman AA5A is a good plane to learn in which BHSF use quite a lot.
But Surrey and Kent used to use the Piper Warrior and the PA38.
I think the PA38 was cheaper to learn in for what its worth (for Hour Building etc)
Will have to dig the invoices out.You pay less for a 2 seater to learn in over a 4 seater (AA5A)
The Costs were not cheap but I guess thats relative though.
An hour (brakes off / brakes on) back then was around £140.00 (approx)
Highly recommend it though !
If you need any info mate send me an email under my profile.
Cheers
Pete
>> Edited by maserati3200gt on Monday 23 January 08:05
I did my PPL in 1993 Years ago at Biggin Hill.
Started with Biggin Hill School of Flying then moved over to Surrey and Kent Flying School as they were better value for money at the time plus you end up paying for all that "packaging" at BHSF.
BH is a good place to learn either way.
Just remember my first lesson when taking off there ! Immediately you look down and there is this massive valley the moment you leave the airport ! think its around 600ft above sea level !?
The Grumman AA5A is a good plane to learn in which BHSF use quite a lot.
But Surrey and Kent used to use the Piper Warrior and the PA38.
I think the PA38 was cheaper to learn in for what its worth (for Hour Building etc)
Will have to dig the invoices out.You pay less for a 2 seater to learn in over a 4 seater (AA5A)
The Costs were not cheap but I guess thats relative though.
An hour (brakes off / brakes on) back then was around £140.00 (approx)
Highly recommend it though !
If you need any info mate send me an email under my profile.
Cheers
Pete
>> Edited by maserati3200gt on Monday 23 January 08:05
Hi Rob - I've got to be out the door in 5 minutes, or I'd be rabbiting on endlessly on the subject - however, a good place to ask the sort of questions you want answers to is the Student Pilots forum on www.flyer.co.uk
http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=
They're a very friendly bunch. I'll try and add some more comments here later.
Cheers,
Ed
http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=
They're a very friendly bunch. I'll try and add some more comments here later.
Cheers,
Ed
Yup, another budding PPLer here I've just started the PPL course at Filton before Christmas. Although I don't know your area, I'd look around and visit the local schools to get a feel for them. The most important thing is to be happy with the instructors and school itself. Most offer bonus hours or discounts for buying hours in advance (I get free landing fees and exam fees by buying 10 hour blocks), so it's worth doing. Do check exactly what's included if you buy per hour (i.e. landing fees, VAT etc).
Don't forget to budget for books, test fees etc. which soon add up! And remember the 45 hours minimum training hours is just that, a minimum. Most people will take a little longer to finish, say 50-55 hours.
Have you thought about what type of flying you'd like to do? I'd suggest booking a trial flight first, just to check you'll actually enjoy it! You can normally add that trial hour in your logbook so it counts as part of your training.
There's also the NPPL which requires less hours to complete but restricts you to flying within the UK and you can't add extra ratings (like night or instrument flying). The main advantage of the NPPL is you don't need a class 2 medical. There's an on going debate as to whether you'll save money by going for the NPPL, as most recon if you're going to take 50 hours to learn to fly, then you're not really saving.
Any questions, post away
edit: The Flyer forums are great, just like PH but for planes
>> Edited by KITT on Monday 23 January 09:45
I've just started the PPL course at Filton before Christmas. Although I don't know your area, I'd look around and visit the local schools to get a feel for them. The most important thing is to be happy with the instructors and school itself. Most offer bonus hours or discounts for buying hours in advance (I get free landing fees and exam fees by buying 10 hour blocks), so it's worth doing. Do check exactly what's included if you buy per hour (i.e. landing fees, VAT etc). Don't forget to budget for books, test fees etc. which soon add up! And remember the 45 hours minimum training hours is just that, a minimum. Most people will take a little longer to finish, say 50-55 hours.
Have you thought about what type of flying you'd like to do? I'd suggest booking a trial flight first, just to check you'll actually enjoy it! You can normally add that trial hour in your logbook so it counts as part of your training.
There's also the NPPL which requires less hours to complete but restricts you to flying within the UK and you can't add extra ratings (like night or instrument flying). The main advantage of the NPPL is you don't need a class 2 medical. There's an on going debate as to whether you'll save money by going for the NPPL, as most recon if you're going to take 50 hours to learn to fly, then you're not really saving.
Any questions, post away
edit: The Flyer forums are great, just like PH but for planes
>> Edited by KITT on Monday 23 January 09:45
KITT said:I have a lesson every few years, just enough to keep me interested until I can afford to get my PPL (hopefully within the next few years
Most people will take a little longer to finish, say 50-55 hours.
) The one thing everyone seems to agree on is that you really do need to budget for a lot more than the "minimum number of hours". As with most things in life, the final cost never really works out as being as cheap as you hoped it would.
Everything about flying is fun, including study. Get stuck into learning aerodynamics, Meteorology, air law etc backwards in your spare time, you might shave off a few hundred quid of money/time if you are ahead of where you need to be and are comfortable with all the technical stuff so you can make the most of your time in the air.[/2 cents] Have fun!
To do it in the minimum time requires at least 3 flights/lessons a week. As a professional pilot I did mine as part of a course, which involved full ime study and flying. 46hrs to complete the PPL section if I recall.
I then became a flight instructor (in the US) and had one german chap who I sent to his checkride after his 45th hour. he passed, but he did have the benefit of growing up with his dad owning a Cessna 172 in Germany and knew pretty much everything and had alot of time with dad letting him fly.
I then became a flight instructor (in the US) and had one german chap who I sent to his checkride after his 45th hour. he passed, but he did have the benefit of growing up with his dad owning a Cessna 172 in Germany and knew pretty much everything and had alot of time with dad letting him fly.
I have flown a few times and love it but not got a PPL.
A couple of friends have PPL and one bought an aircraft after with a co-owner and it wasn't that expensive to gain his PPL and acquire his plane, about £35k IIRC.
My colleague (lives in the states) had a heart attack whilst flying recently - he's OK and one lucky guy!
A couple of friends have PPL and one bought an aircraft after with a co-owner and it wasn't that expensive to gain his PPL and acquire his plane, about £35k IIRC.
My colleague (lives in the states) had a heart attack whilst flying recently - he's OK and one lucky guy!
KITT said:You can fly to spain or the states, and spend a week flying, and come away with a PPL. Read/study fully before going which will make it easier, and you could save a fair bit of money.
So realistically what are you looking at (cost wise) to get a PPL? I try not to think about it too much
I think the link is this:
[url]www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=224891&r=2754050&hm=21907#2754050[/url]
I got my PPL in 1991 flying C152s, AA5s in Shetlands (windy) and Biggin Hill (foggy) and it was 45 hours minimum at around £60/hour on a Cessna 152 with an instructor plus exams plus equipment (headphones, circular rule, maps, log book, CAA licencing, medicals etc). It was around £3500 if I remember rightly.
The thing to remember, it was 45 hours MINIMUM - in actual fact, the average time taken for a PPL was around 50-55 hours or more depending on how clued up you were, and in some respects whether the weather interfered with the continuity of your training.
Looking at where I fly now at Fairoaks, the PPL price guideline is 45 hours flying at £7650 plus extras which take it to £8279 minimum (touch of "Surrey tax"
.
Personally, if you are thinking about it I know I would take 3 weeks off in Florida and try it there. Bear in mind you will have to pay for lodgings and other expenses and if I remember rightly, you may have to do a further conversion test from an FAA (American) to JAA licence. Something about the instrument training you get in the UK and not the USA and some exams...
As a comparison on prices: I now fly twins and I was flying a Piper Seminole twin in Oz a few years ago for around £90/hour (£110/hr now). I fly a twin Seneca II turbo plane now which is similar (slightly faster) and I am paying around £260/hour.
There's an approximate x2 rating to apply to costs from USA/Oz to here.
I spend minimum flying here and try and spend a month or so in USA/Oz for bulk flying. Also, there are virtually free skies in Oz and USA (not restricted by commercial traffic of Heathrow/Gatwick) depending of course where you fly. Plus the weather helps as well.
Bear in mind, there was a bit of scandal back in the days I was flying of people paying up front in bulk for cheap hour building/instruction to foreign clubs, only to find the club had gone bust when they arrived and they lost all their money. To be avoided then, and I'm sure now.
The other thing to remember is if you cannot afford to fly regularly, you will find it a little more stressful and eventually, as is the way whenever other responsibilities kick in, the funds for flying diminish and you will end up having to carry out a flight test again, or after 5 years, start redoing your PPL training to requalify.
Do it while you can - it's a fantastic achievement!
[url]www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=224891&r=2754050&hm=21907#2754050[/url]
I got my PPL in 1991 flying C152s, AA5s in Shetlands (windy) and Biggin Hill (foggy) and it was 45 hours minimum at around £60/hour on a Cessna 152 with an instructor plus exams plus equipment (headphones, circular rule, maps, log book, CAA licencing, medicals etc). It was around £3500 if I remember rightly.
The thing to remember, it was 45 hours MINIMUM - in actual fact, the average time taken for a PPL was around 50-55 hours or more depending on how clued up you were, and in some respects whether the weather interfered with the continuity of your training.
Looking at where I fly now at Fairoaks, the PPL price guideline is 45 hours flying at £7650 plus extras which take it to £8279 minimum (touch of "Surrey tax"
. Personally, if you are thinking about it I know I would take 3 weeks off in Florida and try it there. Bear in mind you will have to pay for lodgings and other expenses and if I remember rightly, you may have to do a further conversion test from an FAA (American) to JAA licence. Something about the instrument training you get in the UK and not the USA and some exams...
As a comparison on prices: I now fly twins and I was flying a Piper Seminole twin in Oz a few years ago for around £90/hour (£110/hr now). I fly a twin Seneca II turbo plane now which is similar (slightly faster) and I am paying around £260/hour.
There's an approximate x2 rating to apply to costs from USA/Oz to here.
I spend minimum flying here and try and spend a month or so in USA/Oz for bulk flying. Also, there are virtually free skies in Oz and USA (not restricted by commercial traffic of Heathrow/Gatwick) depending of course where you fly. Plus the weather helps as well.
Bear in mind, there was a bit of scandal back in the days I was flying of people paying up front in bulk for cheap hour building/instruction to foreign clubs, only to find the club had gone bust when they arrived and they lost all their money. To be avoided then, and I'm sure now.
The other thing to remember is if you cannot afford to fly regularly, you will find it a little more stressful and eventually, as is the way whenever other responsibilities kick in, the funds for flying diminish and you will end up having to carry out a flight test again, or after 5 years, start redoing your PPL training to requalify.
Do it while you can - it's a fantastic achievement!
B17NNS said:
Can you fly if you are colourblind?
See here: www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?categoryid=49&pagetype=90&pageid=528
You will however be restricted to day time flying unless you can pass a lantern test at Gatwick.
As for learning abroad, that's a whole can of worms! Normally an intensive course lasts about three weeks and you should have passed all the exams before starting. Financial savings are debatable though as you will probably need extra training back here when you finish.
Personally, I wanted to enjoy the PPL course and not have to cram it all in such a short period, so have a lesson booked once a week. Gives me something to look forward to
howdy, Heres a posting I wrote a few months back on SELOC regarding the realitys of getting a career in aviation.
"Everybody assumes that you have to be an airline pilot to be paid to fly. Not so.. there are many areas you can go into if you have a CPL. THe airline wolrd is one such area.
I basically started 11 years ago as a young flight student doing my PPL all the way thru, the IMC rating, Multiengine ratings and finally a single engine CPL and a Multiengine CPL(both with IMC rights). Now the fun starts.. you are basically worthless to anybody without experience (no expereince=no job...no job without expeiience repeat ad naseum) so you have to spend alot of time throwing CVs out, knocking on doors and networking.
The usual step is to study for your flight instructor certificate, take that and hopefully get hired by your flightschool and start building hours (thats what its about..HOURS logged equals experience) so you spend alot of days with next to no pay as you grind out hours, all the whilst you sit and watch your bank loans getting whacked with interest...£55k is the going price today by the time you add the MCC course to it. Then if you are lucky you meet somebody who is flying a small twin (baron, C421, 414etc..) and you can mooch some hours out of them or even get hired as a freelance pilot to drive that one around(for free, for the hours, because if you dont, the next guy will). All the while again you wait for the airlines to start hiring again.
Oh yea..dont let you IMC rating expire either you need that and will have to keep it current at your own expense.
Over time you crank out the hours if lucky, then you might strike a deal with a company who will train you as an FO on a turbine powered KingAir, in return you will fly for peanuts(or nothing as you have become desperate...keep an eye on the interest payments again..) and slowly you will get more interesting for a potential small charter operator (hours, the more the better..except turbine hours are best)
Waheey...next thing you know, you are checked out as Captain on the kingair200 and are now on 24hr standby, 7 days a week all year (yes illegal per CAA..but you are listed as "contactable with 2 hours notice" and not "Standy" so the company is in the clearm but you are screwed by having your mobile switched on all the time, have no life, most likely never see the kids/wifes/pets birthdays/holidays as you will be stuck in some [Censored] ty airport during these times)
Now you can start looking around..Corporate jobs (Like me, I am now a Challenger 604 captain), charter outfits who fly bizjets )remember, the bigger the jet, the bigger the suitcase as you will be gone for 2-4 weeks at a time on the Global Expresses, BBJs etc.. Trust me, being stuck in a hotel for 3 weeks at a time by yourself aint fun. Hopefully you actually get along with the other pilot)
Time goes on and you build hours, do more networking and hopefully find a job that satisfies all your requirements for a balanced lifestyle(quality)...this is what makes airline soooo appealing...you get a schedule and roster.
Flying Cargo is another option, but the smaller operators are all night flying, crappy old equipment (if the button,knob,dial is dusty..dont touch it) been there done that.. Air Ambulance.. done that..hard but very satisfiing saving lives (stupid tourists almost killing themselves on jetskis)... bank repo jobs..done that as a freelancer.. ferried arplanes all over the place for workshops/paintshops..again decrepid aircraft with which the FAA gave a singlepilot permission so they knew how many bodies to look for if I stacked it.
BAsically this business aint rosey like the flightschools want you to beleive, they will blow sunshine up your ass to entice you to spend ALOT of dosh with them. It is a Gamble, and you have to make it clear with yourself and your dependants of the time, money, blood and sweat you have to invest. As a matter of fact, it could all fail and you might just simply not get any further after your CPL... I know many of my friends from Flightschool who just did not get the breaks to move on.
The flying publc just never know any of this, they see the ubiquitous airline captain and think that all pilots are over paid and work 4 days a month. Those days are gone and we all have to work like crazy to enjoy a reasonable life (which potentially could dissapear at your yearly(or 6 monthly) Medical check..thats it..game over..)
Dont get me wrong here I love flying airplanes, but one has to have a serious reality check before entering this industry. It will cut your throat and spit you out if you dont approach it realistically.What other industry will you find people actually wanting to PAY to do a job?? ANd unfortunalty there are many shysters out there who will take your money..Ryanair and Easyjet both want you to front £25000 to train on their aircraft if get offered a job(you get that back over 5 years..but add that to the already outstanding 55K you owe minus interest)
This hopefull hasnt put you off the notion, but must be considered if you trying to chage careers or something. If you can afford it, keep you real job, with all its benefits ie days off, T&C that are actually kept by your emplyer, rights etc.. and keep flying as a fun thing on the side as a hobby.
250 'til the marker,
Carsten
(ATPL JAA/FAA Learjet60 and Challenger 604 driver, 4000 hours and 11 years in the game)
Cynical moi?"
"Everybody assumes that you have to be an airline pilot to be paid to fly. Not so.. there are many areas you can go into if you have a CPL. THe airline wolrd is one such area.
I basically started 11 years ago as a young flight student doing my PPL all the way thru, the IMC rating, Multiengine ratings and finally a single engine CPL and a Multiengine CPL(both with IMC rights). Now the fun starts.. you are basically worthless to anybody without experience (no expereince=no job...no job without expeiience repeat ad naseum) so you have to spend alot of time throwing CVs out, knocking on doors and networking.
The usual step is to study for your flight instructor certificate, take that and hopefully get hired by your flightschool and start building hours (thats what its about..HOURS logged equals experience) so you spend alot of days with next to no pay as you grind out hours, all the whilst you sit and watch your bank loans getting whacked with interest...£55k is the going price today by the time you add the MCC course to it. Then if you are lucky you meet somebody who is flying a small twin (baron, C421, 414etc..) and you can mooch some hours out of them or even get hired as a freelance pilot to drive that one around(for free, for the hours, because if you dont, the next guy will). All the while again you wait for the airlines to start hiring again.
Oh yea..dont let you IMC rating expire either you need that and will have to keep it current at your own expense.
Over time you crank out the hours if lucky, then you might strike a deal with a company who will train you as an FO on a turbine powered KingAir, in return you will fly for peanuts(or nothing as you have become desperate...keep an eye on the interest payments again..) and slowly you will get more interesting for a potential small charter operator (hours, the more the better..except turbine hours are best)
Waheey...next thing you know, you are checked out as Captain on the kingair200 and are now on 24hr standby, 7 days a week all year (yes illegal per CAA..but you are listed as "contactable with 2 hours notice" and not "Standy" so the company is in the clearm but you are screwed by having your mobile switched on all the time, have no life, most likely never see the kids/wifes/pets birthdays/holidays as you will be stuck in some [Censored] ty airport during these times)
Now you can start looking around..Corporate jobs (Like me, I am now a Challenger 604 captain), charter outfits who fly bizjets )remember, the bigger the jet, the bigger the suitcase as you will be gone for 2-4 weeks at a time on the Global Expresses, BBJs etc.. Trust me, being stuck in a hotel for 3 weeks at a time by yourself aint fun. Hopefully you actually get along with the other pilot)
Time goes on and you build hours, do more networking and hopefully find a job that satisfies all your requirements for a balanced lifestyle(quality)...this is what makes airline soooo appealing...you get a schedule and roster.
Flying Cargo is another option, but the smaller operators are all night flying, crappy old equipment (if the button,knob,dial is dusty..dont touch it) been there done that.. Air Ambulance.. done that..hard but very satisfiing saving lives (stupid tourists almost killing themselves on jetskis)... bank repo jobs..done that as a freelancer.. ferried arplanes all over the place for workshops/paintshops..again decrepid aircraft with which the FAA gave a singlepilot permission so they knew how many bodies to look for if I stacked it.
BAsically this business aint rosey like the flightschools want you to beleive, they will blow sunshine up your ass to entice you to spend ALOT of dosh with them. It is a Gamble, and you have to make it clear with yourself and your dependants of the time, money, blood and sweat you have to invest. As a matter of fact, it could all fail and you might just simply not get any further after your CPL... I know many of my friends from Flightschool who just did not get the breaks to move on.
The flying publc just never know any of this, they see the ubiquitous airline captain and think that all pilots are over paid and work 4 days a month. Those days are gone and we all have to work like crazy to enjoy a reasonable life (which potentially could dissapear at your yearly(or 6 monthly) Medical check..thats it..game over..)
Dont get me wrong here I love flying airplanes, but one has to have a serious reality check before entering this industry. It will cut your throat and spit you out if you dont approach it realistically.What other industry will you find people actually wanting to PAY to do a job?? ANd unfortunalty there are many shysters out there who will take your money..Ryanair and Easyjet both want you to front £25000 to train on their aircraft if get offered a job(you get that back over 5 years..but add that to the already outstanding 55K you owe minus interest)
This hopefull hasnt put you off the notion, but must be considered if you trying to chage careers or something. If you can afford it, keep you real job, with all its benefits ie days off, T&C that are actually kept by your emplyer, rights etc.. and keep flying as a fun thing on the side as a hobby.
250 'til the marker,
Carsten
(ATPL JAA/FAA Learjet60 and Challenger 604 driver, 4000 hours and 11 years in the game)
Cynical moi?"
Also chasing the entry level jobs is hard..very hard as there are alot of flight students who also want them. Remember a flightschool is a business, and their loyalty to you only goes as far as your CPL/IR/ME or until you have paid them. Then they simply wash their hands as you have served your purpose to them. ALot of them promise all sorts of stuff ie interviews ( so what, an interview is just that..not a job placement, and besides if you pay Ryanair 50£ to apply and 200£ for the honor of an interview you get the same)...or maybe the flightschool had promised to hire you as an FI, but alas..lots of handwringing as they inform about the wrong season, low pupil uptake etc,etc.. and you stand there freshly minted as an FI with no job (try going next door but that flightschool has of course its own pupils to recruit FI's from)
If you want to crank out alot of hours, then an option is to start ferrying airplanes. ie small pistons across the atlantic..very risky as they tend to crash alot. Imagine wearing a bulky, chaffing drysuit, driving from london to aberdeen nonstop with a huuuge bagtank sitting in the passenger seat encroaching in your space..bring lots of bottles as pee-brakes dont exist.
Again to get into this, you need to meet people, network and get your name known to the operators.
Its all about building hours initially, and you have to be very flexible in the these JAA times to pack bags and go at short notice. A young copilot I knew, he spent a summer in Malaga towing banners up and down the beach..droning away bored [Censored] less building hours (well not boring when you have to swoop down and pick the banner up hoping the old girl has enough power to drag it off the ground in the summer heat). You again have to be flexible with where you want to live. Initially the job dictates where you go, you dont have a choice. If you sit and wait for a job opening at your local airfield you are in for a long wait...but then again you might be lucky.
I was..lucky..very.. and have considered it made. Fly a nice piece of equipment, get paid enough to have some nice toys, but on the downside no schedule or rostered days off as I fly corporate/privately as here common sense prevails to keep you well rested and alive
If you want to crank out alot of hours, then an option is to start ferrying airplanes. ie small pistons across the atlantic..very risky as they tend to crash alot. Imagine wearing a bulky, chaffing drysuit, driving from london to aberdeen nonstop with a huuuge bagtank sitting in the passenger seat encroaching in your space..bring lots of bottles as pee-brakes dont exist.
Again to get into this, you need to meet people, network and get your name known to the operators.
Its all about building hours initially, and you have to be very flexible in the these JAA times to pack bags and go at short notice. A young copilot I knew, he spent a summer in Malaga towing banners up and down the beach..droning away bored [Censored] less building hours (well not boring when you have to swoop down and pick the banner up hoping the old girl has enough power to drag it off the ground in the summer heat). You again have to be flexible with where you want to live. Initially the job dictates where you go, you dont have a choice. If you sit and wait for a job opening at your local airfield you are in for a long wait...but then again you might be lucky.
I was..lucky..very.. and have considered it made. Fly a nice piece of equipment, get paid enough to have some nice toys, but on the downside no schedule or rostered days off as I fly corporate/privately as here common sense prevails to keep you well rested and alive
eharding said:
Hi Rob - I've got to be out the door in 5 minutes, or I'd be rabbiting on endlessly on the subject - however, a good place to ask the sort of questions you want answers to is the Student Pilots forum on www.flyer.co.uk
http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=
They're a very friendly bunch. I'll try and add some more comments here later.
Cheers,
Ed
look out for me there as well!!
KITT said:
Yup, another budding PPLer here
>> Edited by KITT on Monday 23 January 09:45
Hi,
I am also re starting my training at Filton with Aeros, is that who you are with? I did 48 hours about 4 years ago and never finished my ground exams, now back in the saddle and aiming to finish in the next few months ( subject to the good old weather!!)
>> Edited by obiwonkeyblokey on Monday 23 January 12:30
obiwonkeyblokey said:Am indeed with Aeros. Really nice people
I am also re starting my training at Filton with Aeros, is that who you are with? I did 48 hours about 4 years ago and never finished my ground exams, now back in the saddle and aiming to finish in the next few months ( subject to the good old weather!!)
I guess you'll be having to do all the exams again as they're only valid for 18 months (I think!). I see you're looking at that 172 on the flyer forums, post PPL purchase? Gassing Station | The Pie & Piston Archive | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff