Compulsory community service
Discussion
Just heard Cameron talking about bringing in compulsory "National Service", where school leavers will be compelled to do some sort of community work, resumably if they don't already have a job to go to. I dodn't catch much of it as I was busy getting Alex ready for school, but on the face of it it seems like a good idea.
At the very least it will help dispel, at an early age, the myth that you are entitled to something for nothing. If you want to claim benefit after leaving school, you have to earn it by doing something useful to the community at large - you know, the people whose taxes will be paying for that benefit. If that means cleaning up graffitti and litter, great, a knock on effect will be peer pressure to help prevent those things in the first place.
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At the very least it will help dispel, at an early age, the myth that you are entitled to something for nothing. If you want to claim benefit after leaving school, you have to earn it by doing something useful to the community at large - you know, the people whose taxes will be paying for that benefit. If that means cleaning up graffitti and litter, great, a knock on effect will be peer pressure to help prevent those things in the first place.
Vote catcher, genuine policy, good or bad?
A brilliant idea - which I have been saying for years...
It isn't rocket science, a yoof who has painted and renovated a bus-stop is far less likely to vandelise it. And if he does, there is a team of other youths who are going to be on hand to fix it.
The scheme should be extended to the long term unemployed also - it would give people a reason to get up, get out, meet new people and put something back into the community.
I have no idea why these ideas have not been taken up long ago.
It isn't rocket science, a yoof who has painted and renovated a bus-stop is far less likely to vandelise it. And if he does, there is a team of other youths who are going to be on hand to fix it.
The scheme should be extended to the long term unemployed also - it would give people a reason to get up, get out, meet new people and put something back into the community.
I have no idea why these ideas have not been taken up long ago.
As long as it is not used to fiddle the Unemployment figures. Now standing at 1,528,000 (ILO figures)
ILO unemployment - The International Labour Organisation (ILO) definition of unemployment, which is derived from Labour Force Survey data. It covers people who are: out of work, want a job, have actively sought work in the previous four weeks and are available to start work within the next fortnight; or out of work and have accepted a job that they are waiting to start in the next fortnight.
www.incomesdata.co.uk/statistics/statempl.htm
ILO unemployment - The International Labour Organisation (ILO) definition of unemployment, which is derived from Labour Force Survey data. It covers people who are: out of work, want a job, have actively sought work in the previous four weeks and are available to start work within the next fortnight; or out of work and have accepted a job that they are waiting to start in the next fortnight.
www.incomesdata.co.uk/statistics/statempl.htm
Yes it's a great idea, but only if it is applicable to those claiming benefits to any extent.
Otherwise, it would be a serious problem to those who NEED to be earning money such as to support a young family.
The issue would also be when it is applicable.
If it is at school leaving it will disrupt the learning process for those that want to go onto do A Levels. If students are then exempt there will be a mass influx of time wasters into the higher education system simpky to avoid doing community service.
Otherwise, it would be a serious problem to those who NEED to be earning money such as to support a young family.
The issue would also be when it is applicable.
If it is at school leaving it will disrupt the learning process for those that want to go onto do A Levels. If students are then exempt there will be a mass influx of time wasters into the higher education system simpky to avoid doing community service.
Muncher said:No problem, if they go to Pratts Bottom College of Further Education (now the 'University of Just South of London, on the edge of Kent') to study a course in 'Holiday Rep Management' and they come out and can't find a job then they can go and do community service for 6 months to earn their keep - while also gaining valuable skills.
If it is at school leaving it will disrupt the learning process for those that want to go onto do A Levels. If students are then exempt there will be a mass influx of time wasters into the higher education system simpky to avoid doing community service.
I can't see any detriment in this plan?
scorp said:Well then, they can run small-scale day care centres under the stewardship of trained professionals.
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If, as mentioned, it is reserved for those claiming benefit then a very good policy.
Like single mothers and things like that? not everyone who claims benefits is doing it to escape getting a job
Jaglover said:
Like single mothers and things like that?
Yes
I'm sure day care centres can be provided for the mothers. After all many private sector employers have onsite nurseries. It's time to end the something for nothing culture.
Nice idea, but the numbers don't add up, there are a lot of single mothers who cannot all go to work in day care centers.
scorp said:Well then they can work in schools making school dinners, cleaning ladies in old peoples homes and hospitals.
Like single mothers and things like that?
Yes
I'm sure day care centres can be provided for the mothers. After all many private sector employers have onsite nurseries. It's time to end the something for nothing culture.
Nice idea, but the numbers don't add up, there are a lot of single mothers who cannot all go to work in day care centers.
Plenty of work to go around
scorp said:
Like single mothers and things like that?
Yes
I'm sure day care centres can be provided for the mothers. After all many private sector employers have onsite nurseries. It's time to end the something for nothing culture.
Nice idea, but the numbers don't add up, there are a lot of single mothers who cannot all go to work in day care centers.
I think you misunderstood my post, I said that the state should provide free childminding while they carry out their community service.
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