Tracking Chip to go into ID Cards

[xm5er]

I caught a tiny snippet of this at the tail end of the news on Friday and came to seach the BBC news archive today and not a single mention of it. Blair Broacasting Commune indeed.

However it hasn't been completely buried

www.silicon.com/publicsector/0,3800010403,39156031,00.htm
www.no2id.net/news/newsblog/?p=344

Apparently the Mirror did pick up on this last week but as I avoid the rag, I wasn't aware of it.

So if the government decides that it wants to, it will be able to track its subjects (lets face it we are not citizens in the country) anywhere you go.

Is absolute control coming to this country or is a load of needless hysteria?

[Einion Yrth]

30 seconds in a microwave, and they're toast.

>> Edited by Einion Yrth on Tuesday 31st January 12:17

[GKP]

So if they force me to buy one of these cards, they'll be able to satellite-track it to the back of the kitchen drawer?

[Plotloss]

If you dont carry it, no worries.

ID Cards will be Blair's and indeed Labour's Community Charge...

[groomi]

Einion Yrth said:

30 seconds in a microwave, and they're toast. >> Edited by Einion Yrth on Tuesday 31st January 12:17

Sounds like a plan.

[kalman]

Ah this sounds like the smart tag technology that was developed a few years back. The idea was developed for commercial applications so that a company could track every single item of stock using a RFID tag. I guess they just want to use the same technology to track people rather than tins of beans.

It would be an easier way to track an individual than uing CCTV as it's proven difficult to get facial recognition software to work properly, and people often switch off their mobile phone so triangulation is of limited use to.

[J1mmyD]

I hate to tell you this, but most of us already carry one in our mobile phones.

[love machine]

They can track it's progress into the fire. Like Jack Nicholson in one flew over a cuckoo's nest, I will have leucotomy scars on my head if you find one in my pocket at ANY time in the future, YOU BLAIR, I AM A FREE MAN!!

[tinman0]

xm5er said:

I caught a tiny snippet of this at the tail end of the news on Friday and came to seach the BBC news archive today and not a single mention of it. Blair Broacasting Commune indeed. However it hasn't been completely buried www.silicon.com/publicsector/0,3800010403,39156031,00.htm www.no2id.net/news/newsblog/?p=344 Apparently the Mirror did pick up on this last week but as I avoid the rag, I wasn't aware of it. So if the government decides that it wants to, it will be able to track its subjects (lets face it we are not citizens in the country) anywhere you go. Is absolute control coming to this country or is a load of needless hysteria?

it is truly scary what labour are up to. this is meant to be a party of freedoms and liberating the people from the tyranny of capitalism. so they can then barcode us all apparently.

[randlemarcus]

Metal lined wallets. Stops most of this silliness

[racingsnake]

I know where u live anyway Mate.
If they want me they only have to follow the black lines.LOL.

[kalman]

But the chip is a passive receiver, rather than as it were a 'bleeping' transmitter. Until it's brought near to a reader it's inactive, the radio wave field from the reader is what powers to RFID chip up so that it can talk to the receiver. So I don't think you'll be getting tracked by satellite or anything, more likely it could be used for swipe card access to public buildings etc. The chips are cheap and hold about 2kb of data. Walmart uses them apparently.

[tycho]

kalman said:

Ah this sounds like the smart tag technology that was developed a few years back. The idea was developed for commercial applications so that a company could track every single item of stock using a RFID tag. I guess they just want to use the same technology to track people rather than tins of beans. It would be an easier way to track an individual than uing CCTV as it's proven difficult to get facial recognition software to work properly, and people often switch off their mobile phone so triangulation is of limited use to.

If someone is going to be up to no good, do you think that they will carry their ID card? So it's better than CCTV then?

[yertis]

The Labour party would like to weld them into our heads









and then ride around in Tripods.

Actually Prescott would need two Tripods.

[kalman]

tycho said:

kalman said: Ah this sounds like the smart tag technology that was developed a few years back. The idea was developed for commercial applications so that a company could track every single item of stock using a RFID tag. I guess they just want to use the same technology to track people rather than tins of beans. It would be an easier way to track an individual than uing CCTV as it's proven difficult to get facial recognition software to work properly, and people often switch off their mobile phone so triangulation is of limited use to. If someone is going to be up to no good, do you think that they will carry their ID card? So it's better than CCTV then?

No I would imagine it's for a completely different purpose. CCTV is for catching people who are upto no good, ID cards are for proving your identity, and possibly for gaining access to public buildings etc.

It would make alot more sense if the chips were inserted just under the skin, as one problem is still going to be that the ID card and it's owner can be easily seperated. Still I don't think the public would be too keen on the idea of implanted chips just yet. Although I think some forms of contraception are now implanted.



>> Edited by kalman on Tuesday 31st January 12:41

[tinman0]

kalman said:

But the chip is a passive receiver, rather than as it were a 'bleeping' transmitter. Until it's brought near to a reader it's inactive, the radio wave field from the reader is what powers to RFID chip up so that it can talk to the receiver. So I don't think you'll be getting tracked by satellite or anything, more likely it could be used for swipe card access to public buildings etc. The chips are cheap and hold about 2kb of data. Walmart uses them apparently.

how about putting the transmitters in lampposts? along with bt putting wireless access points in lampposts (which means a full time internet connection in every lamppost - this is being trialed i think) - it wouldn't tkae much to track you as you go down a street.

far fetched i know, but its a little too close to home for comfort.

[bga]

randlemarcus said:

Metal lined wallets. Stops most of this silliness

tin foil or for the techies a blocker tag will do the job

[ZR1cliff]

Einion Yrth said:

30 seconds in a microwave, and they're toast. >> Edited by Einion Yrth on Tuesday 31st January 12:17

No Doubt there will be the small print,

To tamper with chip will be deemed a criminal offence and will be liable for a prison sentence and/or confiscation of your driving license
YOU WILL DO WHAT WE TELL YOU.
But in the meantime pikeys can park where they like and crims can rape and pillage at will with the risk of a damn good stint of community service

[kalman]

tinman0 said:

how about putting the transmitters in lampposts? along with bt putting wireless access points in lampposts (which means a full time internet connection in every lamppost - this is being trialed i think) - it wouldn't tkae much to track you as you go down a street. far fetched i know, but its a little too close to home for comfort.

But if 'they' really wanted to bother tracking you they already can anyway, either with your mobile, a tracker on your car, CCTV or good old tailing. Or all of them. Your'e phone calls can be tapped anyway and a certain amount of aumtomated listening is done already.

[tinman0]

kalman said:

tinman0 said: how about putting the transmitters in lampposts? along with bt putting wireless access points in lampposts (which means a full time internet connection in every lamppost - this is being trialed i think) - it wouldn't tkae much to track you as you go down a street. far fetched i know, but its a little too close to home for comfort. But if 'they' really wanted to bother tracking you they already can anyway, either with your mobile, a tracker on your car, CCTV or good old tailing. Or all of them. Your'e phone calls can be tapped anyway and a certain amount of aumtomated listening is done already.

not at all. these all require a reason to track you - eg criminal actvity. and i'm sure they have to get a court order which means pleading a case to a judge in private (unless i've watched too much CSI).

with an id card they will require none of that, they dont even have a reason to watch what you are doing.

i'm not into conspiracy theories - but why is it going to cost even £90 for a lump of plastic with your id on it? credit card companies and banks can do similar things for a lot less money. so where is the £90 going? could they be building something a little more grand than an id card system?