Looking for a Tamora
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If you look back through previous topics there are plenty of advice about what to look for when buying a TVR. I myself have just entered into the flock buy getting a T350T, and found PH very useful. Apart from checking the obvious things like service history etc etc, I would get the garage or the person who is selling the car to take you out in the car and see how it is driven from cold. I am a firm believer in if the SP6 engine is allowed to warm up properly it can be quite reliable, but if it been thrashed without being upto working temp steer clear. Hope this helps.
CB 20K will get you into Tam territory, just.
I agree completely with martyns comment about warming the Sp6- for long life allow the OIL temp (not water) to get to 40 before going above 4000rpm. Just watch what happens on the test drive.
But compare specs carefully, 18" wheels are desirable, so is aircon, & colour int & ext make a big difference & all add to the price.
let us all know how you get on, good luck.
I agree completely with martyns comment about warming the Sp6- for long life allow the OIL temp (not water) to get to 40 before going above 4000rpm. Just watch what happens on the test drive.
But compare specs carefully, 18" wheels are desirable, so is aircon, & colour int & ext make a big difference & all add to the price.
let us all know how you get on, good luck.
CB154 said:
I am looking to buy a tamora
Hi Chris
Elise - >TT -> Tamora .... glad to see you've seen the light buddy, but are you sure you wouldn't prefer a V8
They put hairs on your chest dontcha know 
Has anyone else made the switch from TT to Tam? care to comment on the differences?
I admit it I have suffered a chequered history in cars 
, but I guess it's time I grew up and settled down.
I am looking for the right Tamora. am watching the ads both here and in the normal press and am sorting out a test drive with a dealer that has a few so that I can really get a good understanding of the car. level of spec and servicing e.t.c
my budget seems to allow me an 02 model and have seen a few that have had engine overhauls. what sort of work was involved in this ?
I am looking forward to tracking down the car for me !
, but I guess it's time I grew up and settled down. I am looking for the right Tamora. am watching the ads both here and in the normal press and am sorting out a test drive with a dealer that has a few so that I can really get a good understanding of the car. level of spec and servicing e.t.c
my budget seems to allow me an 02 model and have seen a few that have had engine overhauls. what sort of work was involved in this ?
I am looking forward to tracking down the car for me !
Never! Do the Tamora's have an oil pressure gauge too?
Are the outputs these give a good sign on general engine fitness.
It sounds like excessive revving at low temps causes premature wear, and this is usually seen in the oil pressure being lower in some cars, as the gaps in bearings are larger so the pressure is lower between the pump and exit points.
Any truth in that, and is it something worth looking out for?
Dave
Are the outputs these give a good sign on general engine fitness.
It sounds like excessive revving at low temps causes premature wear, and this is usually seen in the oil pressure being lower in some cars, as the gaps in bearings are larger so the pressure is lower between the pump and exit points.
Any truth in that, and is it something worth looking out for?
Dave
Fly Boy said:
CB 20K will get you into Tam territory, just.
I agree completely with martyns comment about warming the Sp6- for long life allow the OIL temp (not water) to get to 40 before going above 4000rpm. Just watch what happens on the test drive.
But compare specs carefully, 18" wheels are desirable, so is aircon, & colour int & ext make a big difference & all add to the price.
let us all know how you get on, good luck.
Just for the record, the rev limit at 40deg C should be 2500 rpm - NOT 4000 rpm. Those revs on a cold engine is another S6 rebuild waiting to happen.
daftlad said:
Just for the record, the rev limit at 40deg C should be 2500 rpm - NOT 4000 rpm. Those revs on a cold engine is another S6 rebuild waiting to happen.
Another mis-informed post! Which owners guide are you reading!?
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=238735 >> Edited by purpleperil on Tuesday 7th February 11:00
>> Edited by purpleperil on Tuesday 7th February 11:03
I don't know about owners guides, and their accuracy, but as someone who has used a S6 car every day, rain or shine to get to and from work, you instinctively know what revs to use from cold. I would never go over 3K rpm for the first couple of miles, you learn to 'sense' what's acceptable for the engine, and what's not, and from cold, the lower the revs, the better.
IMOHO of course.
IMOHO of course.
purpleperil said:
Just for the record, the rev limit at 40deg C should be 2500 rpm - NOT 4000 rpm. Those revs on a cold engine is another S6 rebuild waiting to happen.
Another mis-informed post! Which owners guide are you reading!?
>> Edited by purpleperil on Tuesday 7th February 11:00
>> Edited by purpleperil on Tuesday 7th February 11:03
Well I'm terribly sorry for misquoting from the current handbook...
Page 5 of the current Tamora handbook does indeed quote MAX 3000 rpm till oil gets to 40C once the engine is run-in. This also concurs with the current Sagaris handbook.
The handbook I received with my 2004 T350 quoted 2500 rpm. I thought those figures more appropriate to an older car - an engine whose running procedures were different to the current spec S6 and whose spec has probably changed slightly
I apologise if I've inadvertently suggested someone should have more mechanical sympathy with an engine.
Shame you weren't so quick to challenge the earlier post where the recommendation was actually damaging...never mind though.
Daftlad said:
Shame you weren't so quick to challenge the earlier post where the recommendation was actually damaging...never mind though.
Sorry - I must pay more attention to all threads on PH and post immediately - umm
BTW - it does mention 2500 rpm during running in period (until the engine is warm) in the 05 manual.
purpleperil said:
Shame you weren't so quick to challenge the earlier post where the recommendation was actually damaging...never mind though.
Sorry - I must pay more attention to all threads on PH and post immediately - umm
BTW - it does mention 2500 rpm during running in period (until the engine is warm) in the 05 manual.
Indeed it does. We agree on that one.
Is it the pure engine speed that is bad because of the oil pump and oil viscosity not managing to fully lubricate the entire engine effectively at high temps?
Or is it a combination of engine loading? Ie, is wide open throttle at 1500rpm putting more stress on the engine bearings, generating more heat and friction in those conditions, than a 10% open throttle generating little torque at 3000rpm?
Just comparing the BMW M3 engine, a 3.2 (or is it 3.4) litre straight 6.
OK it's not the same pedigree as the TVR 3.6 S6, but they have similar outputs, and the M3 does rev harder. The rev limit in that car is 4000rpm and then as oil warms it allows a higher rpm. Surely if this car allows 4000rpm then the TVR unit also has some degree of flexibility over 2500rpm as long as it isn't abusive use, ie, wide open throttle.
Such a shame that if revving is what is causing premature failure, that TVR don't do themselves a favour and fit a limiter or a "warranty breaker" that voids it if you abuse a cold engine. Yes, more electrics to go wrong, and nannying numpties who should know better, but it'd be nice for second hand potential buyers! I know it's not TVR's way so I'll shut up now
Dave
Or is it a combination of engine loading? Ie, is wide open throttle at 1500rpm putting more stress on the engine bearings, generating more heat and friction in those conditions, than a 10% open throttle generating little torque at 3000rpm?
Just comparing the BMW M3 engine, a 3.2 (or is it 3.4) litre straight 6.
OK it's not the same pedigree as the TVR 3.6 S6, but they have similar outputs, and the M3 does rev harder. The rev limit in that car is 4000rpm and then as oil warms it allows a higher rpm. Surely if this car allows 4000rpm then the TVR unit also has some degree of flexibility over 2500rpm as long as it isn't abusive use, ie, wide open throttle.
Such a shame that if revving is what is causing premature failure, that TVR don't do themselves a favour and fit a limiter or a "warranty breaker" that voids it if you abuse a cold engine. Yes, more electrics to go wrong, and nannying numpties who should know better, but it'd be nice for second hand potential buyers! I know it's not TVR's way so I'll shut up now
Dave
Daftlad said:
Just for the record, the rev limit at 40deg C should be 2500 rpm - NOT 4000 rpm. Those revs on a cold engine is another S6 rebuild waiting to happen.
I wondr whether the confusion over 4000 revs has come from the comprehensive guide from Must about running in which does need to be read carefully:
Mustang Baz said:
Guidance from any dealer would be to treat the engine as you would a new one and follow the running in guide in your manual. If memory serves, first 1000 miles up until the 1k service would be no more than 3k revs even once warm (always < 2.5k revs until warmed to 50 or 60c); from 1,000 to 1,500 miles, I think you can slowly move through the rev range to app 3.5k, and then from 1,500 to 2,000 miles, you can move this up further to 4k revs. There are times post 1k miles when it is encouraged to briefly go above 4k revs (for 5 second blasts) - guidance from John Ravenscroft if I remember (bedding in piston rings??).
I was very careful on this, and perhaps more "sensitive" than others on PH as regards the rev ranges - possibly because mine was one of the early 3.6li rebuilds (compared to 4.0li) from reading here/speaking to others (mine is a Aug 2003 car).
Your dealer should be able to give you more clear guidance, but the above worked well for me. Once past 2k miles, you are free to stretch the legs. I am now getting close to my 6k service and the engine appears to be running well (rebuild Aug 05).
I switched from a TT to a Tamora. I have to confess it was new one built to my spec, but they are like chalk and cheese. To be honest give me the TVR any day of the week. The noise the fun, but get yourself a ride drive course to fine tune your handling skills, the TT lets you drive badly and get away with it, with the TVR its a different story.
My GF has just bought a mini, which handles just like the TT and feels as iconic. Some days I miss the tt, purely because you could go to Tesco's in it, and then go for a drive in it. The TVR does not like tesco's but I am not going back to the TT and the new one looks very bad in my opinion.
Give Mark a call at the TVR centre, I am sure he will do you a nice deal, if you tell him I sent you.
Cheers
Simon
My GF has just bought a mini, which handles just like the TT and feels as iconic. Some days I miss the tt, purely because you could go to Tesco's in it, and then go for a drive in it. The TVR does not like tesco's but I am not going back to the TT and the new one looks very bad in my opinion.
Give Mark a call at the TVR centre, I am sure he will do you a nice deal, if you tell him I sent you.
Cheers
Simon
Guys,
Speek to any Mecahnical Engineer with and ounce of mechanical sympathy and they will tell you not to rev ANY engine when it is cold !! This isn't unique to the S6.
Would you rather buy a Honda which had been ragged from cold or one that had been warmed up properly. I know which i would go for.
Speek to any Mecahnical Engineer with and ounce of mechanical sympathy and they will tell you not to rev ANY engine when it is cold !! This isn't unique to the S6.
Would you rather buy a Honda which had been ragged from cold or one that had been warmed up properly. I know which i would go for.
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