Straight 6 noise: TVR versus Porsche
Straight 6 noise: TVR versus Porsche
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Wiggyfella

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131 posts

251 months

Tuesday 7th February 2006
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Apologies for my ignorance, but I wondered if someone could summarise for me why the engine noise for my TVR (Speed Six) is so different from that of a Porsche which also has 6 cylinders in a straight-six configuration.

I get compliments quite a lot about the noise, and it is indeed alive, burbling and wonderful, but when I try and explain why it differs from that of a Porsche, I'm a bit stumped.

Cheers to anyone who can supply some choice words that I may use to explain why my pride and joy is so aurally pleasing.

Oh yes, and my Cerb has stainless steel pipes.

vixpy1

42,699 posts

293 months

Tuesday 7th February 2006
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Um.. its probably because the Porsche engine is a Flat opposed six

Tripps

5,814 posts

301 months

Tuesday 7th February 2006
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vixpy1 said:
Um.. its probably because the Porsche engine is a Flat opposed six
And perhaps as its mounted at the opposite end of the car, so the exhausts are much shorter...

jesfirth

1,743 posts

271 months

Tuesday 7th February 2006
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cos porsches are BORING

gazzab

21,633 posts

311 months

Tuesday 7th February 2006
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ask Nervous. He has got a S6 Cerb and a 911 996 C4.

RUSSELLM

6,002 posts

276 months

Wednesday 8th February 2006
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I've always presumed it's down to the exhaust system.

Have you heard an MGB & a Morris Marina, same 1.8 engine, but what a sound difference

dinkel

27,776 posts

287 months

Wednesday 8th February 2006
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The naked engine is just a steel kit of bits and pieces. That's the basic sound. The variables are the hundreds of components, the way they work together and the adjustment off it all. Just tinkering with ignition or intake can make a huge difference soundwise . . . 70s racer Porkers sound luverly BTW.

A straight 6 TVR can be compared to a Beemers 6 - but then I would be rude ;( A Porkers 6 has always been a flat 6: 3 cilinders on each side of the crankshaft . . . Compare that with an old Beetles flat 4, Corvair flat 6 or Scoobies flat 4 turbo.

Marki

15,763 posts

299 months

Wednesday 8th February 2006
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dinkel said:

A straight 6 TVR can be compared to a Beemers 6 - but then I would be rude


Yes one sounds like a well machined masterpiece the other sounds like a bag of spanners being shaken

>> Edited by Marki on Wednesday 8th February 10:35

dinkel

27,776 posts

287 months

Wednesday 8th February 2006
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Surely not . . . just trying to be objective

Wiggyfella

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131 posts

251 months

Wednesday 8th February 2006
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dinkel said:
The naked engine is just a steel kit of bits and pieces. That's the basic sound. The variables are the hundreds of components, the way they work together and the adjustment off it all. Just tinkering with ignition or intake can make a huge difference soundwise . . . 70s racer Porkers sound luverly BTW.

A straight 6 TVR can be compared to a Beemers 6 - but then I would be rude ;( A Porkers 6 has always been a flat 6: 3 cilinders on each side of the crankshaft . . . Compare that with an old Beetles flat 4, Corvair flat 6 or Scoobies flat 4 turbo.


A-ha, that's what I was getting confused about. I was always of the impression that a Porker's configuration was straight (in-line) six, rather than the 'flat 6' that you've explained, 'flat' meaning opposed?

I'm sure that if I ever got round to fiddling with my 964 while I had it, I'd have found this out.

Thanks for everyone's input so far.

My exhausts also make a bigh difference to the overall noise, which I'm pretty happy about.

Marki

15,763 posts

299 months

Wednesday 8th February 2006
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Wiggyfella said:


I'm sure that if I ever got round to fiddling with my 964 while I had it, I'd have found this out.


sorry but you had a performance car and did not know the type of engine it had

vixpy1

42,699 posts

293 months

Wednesday 8th February 2006
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The Subaru's make the warble because they have unequal length manifolds..

Not alot of people know that!

Wiggyfella

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131 posts

251 months

Wednesday 8th February 2006
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Marki said:
Wiggyfella said:


I'm sure that if I ever got round to fiddling with my 964 while I had it, I'd have found this out.


sorry but you had a performance car and did not know the type of engine it had


Sorry, what's the engine for?

klassiekerrally

2,543 posts

284 months

Wednesday 8th February 2006
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Wiggyfella said:
I'm sure that if I ever got round to fiddling with my 964 while I had it, I'd have found this out.



Question: What (if any) is the difference between a boxer engine and a 'flat' 4, 6, 12?
I thought it has to do something with the crankshaft?
Who can shed some light on that matter?

dinkel

27,776 posts

287 months

Wednesday 8th February 2006
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targarama

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312 months

Wednesday 8th February 2006
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RUSSELLM said:
I've always presumed it's down to the exhaust system.

Have you heard an MGB & a Morris Marina, same 1.8 engine, but what a sound difference


I think they sound quite similar. My Dad had a Morris Ital once which sounded reasonably OK too.

dinkel

27,776 posts

287 months

Wednesday 8th February 2006
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Most MGBs all sound different They've been worked on for over 30 years!

RUSSELLM

6,002 posts

276 months

Wednesday 8th February 2006
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There's no way the Marina sounds like an MGBGT is there ?

The 1.8 engine was out of the Marina SC or something like that, but I can't remember the Marina ever soundng like that, or am I wrong ?

dinkel

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287 months

klassiekerrally

2,543 posts

284 months

Wednesday 8th February 2006
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dinkel said:
Most MGBs all sound different They've been worked on for over 30 years!

Well, not really... Not much development done during all those years of production.
Except for some castrating to comply with US regulations.

A lot of the differences in sound can be explained by the different (aftermarket) exhausts and airfilters.
A stainless steel exhaust sounds different than a mild steel exhaust.
And then you got big bore exhausts, sport exhausts etcetera...
Also a healthy engine sounds better, more powerful, than a worn engine.