Stupid Nation...... the UK a land of idiots
Stupid Nation...... the UK a land of idiots
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timmy30

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9,325 posts

258 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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Recently an article was published in 'The Business' citing research by Michael Shayer of King’s College, London ( using 10,000 children ) that concluded amongst other things that
the average child in the UK is now...

"between two and three years behind where they were 15 years ago” in their cognitive and conceptual development. In other words, their ability to think and reason has receded at an astonishing rate since 1990."

"To those who still refuse to admit that educational standards in Britain are in dangerous decline, this groundbreaking research will come as a devastating shock. To the rest of us, it confirms what we had long suspected: British schools are not just failing to meet the demands of the 21st century knowledge economy in equipping children with essential skills, they are doing even worse than they used to,"

http://thebusinessonline.com/Stories.aspx?The+stupid

In a world where these young people are going to have to compete for jobs head to head with superior Chineses and Indian graduates, let alone the Americans. How on earth are we supposed to maintain any kind of competitive position in the future?

I think that most people have a feeling that grade inflation has devalued the UK's academic qualifications recently, and that children today are not getting better and brighter.... here is seems is the evidence.

>> Edited by timmy30 on Thursday 9th February 14:02

Jaglover

46,837 posts

266 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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It does not surprise me. We see ever rising grades and yet a lower standard of education is being achieved.

focusonme

691 posts

256 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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It's always nice to have an expensive survey confirming what we've known for ages.

I would offer an alternative conclusion to the report - that education doesn't meet the needs of the real world, and kids are simply learning what's necessary to function in the world, rather than things that they percieve as useless. This interpretation holds an element of truth - that kids are learning how to be chavs, pikeys and other assorted scum because that's how you fit in and survive, rather than the more optimistic idea that they're all secretly learning to be carptenters and plumbers, or attending LearnDirect courses out of school hours.

Fortunately, WWIII should ensure conscription and the realisation of the true value of everything, so those that don't get killed will come back and the UK will be back on track. You know, if it's not obliterated.

Got a bit off track there.

r988

7,501 posts

260 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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Jaglover said:
It does not surprise me. We see ever rising grades and yet a lower standard of education is being achieved.


Problem is kids are taught to pass a rigid test system and thats it, what do they learn thats actually useful? feck all.

Schools fiddling with results to make themselves look better doesn't help either.

kerfuffle

5,253 posts

285 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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Perhaps we should factor in the massive rise in immigration though, with many children being schooled whose parents barely speak English.

shadowninja

80,160 posts

313 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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"a study of 10,000 children reveals that 11-and 12-year-old children are “now, on average, between two and three years behind where they were 15 years ago”"

when they were -3 years old?

esselte

14,626 posts

298 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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r988 said:
Jaglover said:
It does not surprise me. We see ever rising grades and yet a lower standard of education is being achieved.


Problem is kids are taught to pass a rigid test system and thats it, what do they learn thats actually useful? feck all.

Schools fiddling with results to make themselves look better doesn't help either.


This is the problem,kids are taught to pass exams.I suppose it's what schools will do to climb the "league tables".(no-one wants to be seen as "failing" do they?).It's typical Nu-Labour...all appearance and no substance.I just feel sorry for the kids.

minicity

1,009 posts

262 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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kerfuffle said:
Perhaps we should factor in the massive rise in immigration though, with many children being schooled whose parents barely speak English.


I'm not sure this would make much of a difference. Kids learn languages very quickly when they are dropped in at the deep end.

Yugguy

10,728 posts

266 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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It doesn't surprise me, it's reflected in the staggering decline in literacy seen everywhere now.

kerfuffle

5,253 posts

285 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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They may not have valuable parental teaching though. Although sometimes the parents can be more of a curse than a blessing.

nervous

24,050 posts

261 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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i did a gig at brighton university on tuesday at which the mayor of brighton arrived to present the prizes, resplendent in his mayoral jewellery. several of the kids asked me why the Pope had arrived.

no survey needed.

alfaman

6,416 posts

265 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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no surprise at all .... and many A level students today wouldn't have a hope of passing A levels that were set 20 or 25 years ago, same applies to literacy and numeracy standards of University entrants.

Exams have been dumbed down over the years to improve the grades .... thus proving that Labour has improved educational standards of course.

kerfuffle

5,253 posts

285 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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nervous said:
i did a gig at brighton university on tuesday at which the mayor of brighton arrived to present the prizes, resplendent in his mayoral jewellery. several of the kids asked me why the Pope had arrived.

no survey needed.


stop pontificating

kerfuffle

5,253 posts

285 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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Yugguy said:
It doesn't surprise me; it's reflected in the staggering decline in literacy seen everywhere now.


timmy30

Original Poster:

9,325 posts

258 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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alfaman said:
no surprise at all .... and many A level students today wouldn't have a hope of passing A levels that were set 20 or 25 years ago, same applies to literacy and numeracy standards of University entrants.

Exams have been dumbed down over the years to improve the grades .... thus proving that Labour has improved educational standards of course.


Yes but 25 years ago you couldn't sit the exam in modules, bagging the first grade but the reattempting the exam as many times as you liked to see if you could get a higher grade ( without any worry of loosing the previous grade.

DieselJohn

2,114 posts

287 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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timmy30 said:
loosing the previous grade


Yes, someone should tighten up those grades.

Anyone commenting on this thread must be prepared to have their grammar, spelling and punctuation mercilessly criticised.

Eric Mc

125,855 posts

296 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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I'm resisting the urge.... must not criticise....must not criticise.....

nervous

24,050 posts

261 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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DieselJohn said:


Anyone commenting on this thread must be prepared to have their grammar, spelling and punctuation mercilessly criticised.


It should read 'passing comment', surely?

kerfuffle

5,253 posts

285 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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nerv in capital letter shocker

DieselJohn

2,114 posts

287 months

Thursday 9th February 2006
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nervous said:
DieselJohn said:


Anyone commenting on this thread must be prepared to have their grammar, spelling and punctuation mercilessly criticised.


It should read 'passing comment', surely?


I was wondering how long it would take.

My speeling and stuff is crap init. But then I went to school partially under a labour govenment didn i?