Dispatches... Channel 4
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up-the-dubs

Original Poster:

4,282 posts

260 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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Just have this on in the background claiming to be an exposé on Ryanair. O'Leary is pi$$ed no-end and I can see why. Something tells me that someone has a bit of a grudge against him and Ryanair. I can't say there has been anything there that is damning in any real bad way.

Petrol_noggin

3,046 posts

251 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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I'm studying aviation management at uni (yes possibly a mickey mouse course )and can confidently say, it is definately not exclusive to ryanair, in fact a certain flag carrier is much worse.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

301 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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up-the-dubs said:
Just have this on in the background claiming to be an exposé on Ryanair. O'Leary is pi$$ed no-end and I can see why. Something tells me that someone has a bit of a grudge against him and Ryanair. I can't say there has been anything there that is damning in any real bad way.


Nice to see a 'market analyst' stating the bleeding obvious!

Irish

3,991 posts

270 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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Yeah, it is all a bit wolly...........someone sat in sick.........close down the airline!

up-the-dubs

Original Poster:

4,282 posts

260 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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Plotloss said:
up-the-dubs said:
Just have this on in the background claiming to be an exposé on Ryanair. O'Leary is pi$$ed no-end and I can see why. Something tells me that someone has a bit of a grudge against him and Ryanair. I can't say there has been anything there that is damning in any real bad way.


Nice to see a 'market analyst' stating the bleeding obvious!

Who me?

Plotloss

67,280 posts

301 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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up-the-dubs said:
Plotloss said:
up-the-dubs said:
Just have this on in the background claiming to be an exposé on Ryanair. O'Leary is pi$$ed no-end and I can see why. Something tells me that someone has a bit of a grudge against him and Ryanair. I can't say there has been anything there that is damning in any real bad way.


Nice to see a 'market analyst' stating the bleeding obvious!

Who me?


No, chap on the telly with a dicky lip talking about the percentage of cheap flights.

aldi

9,292 posts

268 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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Think the point is this 25 minute turnaround doesnt really work since they have no time to clean anything, and lol @ 'you paid nothing you get nothing, now shut up'

thebluemonkey

1,296 posts

271 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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up-the-dubs said:
O'Leary is pi$$ed no-end and I can see why.


Good, the man is an odious little and I think having senior staff falling asleep, practically untrained personnel onboard and unchecked safety and security is pretty damning.

Petrol_noggin

3,046 posts

251 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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They have obviously targeted the weakest source, every other airline in the UK has a stalwart reputation, but Ryanair is the new butt of jokes after easyjet, such an "expose" that is full of obvious holes would not pass through the proposition stage of programming at C4 if it was focused on another airline. Sick on a seat and delays is sweet FA, runway incursions, which are happening on a daily basis ARE worthy of an entire programme.

up-the-dubs

Original Poster:

4,282 posts

260 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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thebluemonkey said:
up-the-dubs said:
O'Leary is pi$$ed no-end and I can see why.


Good, the man is an odious little and I think having senior staff falling asleep, practically untrained personnel onboard and unchecked safety and security is pretty damning.


I don't think so. As the regulator said, they just scrape inside the rules and guidelines imposed by the EU.

Nice of Dispatches to ask for a comment on a programme which they didn't even show to Ryanair. Get the programme on the air, let the public make up their mind and if anything is wrong and Ryanair sues, apologise straight away, damage done.

GrahamG

1,091 posts

298 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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Dispatches never shows the programmes to their 'victims' before airing them - I'm sure Ryanair deserve a bl***y good kicking on several fronts but I have to say that once you've been on the wrong end of one of these programmes you begin to see where some of the joins are!

up-the-dubs

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4,282 posts

260 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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The Rté National News is just coming on here with one of the headlines stating that the Irish Aviation Authority are supporting Ryanair in their battle (sic) against C4.

thebluemonkey

1,296 posts

271 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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up-the-dubs said:
The Rté National News is just coming on here with one of the headlines stating that the Irish Aviation Authority are supporting Ryanair in their battle (sic) against C4.


They would wouldn't they ? The Irish airline which has taken over, regulated by them, shown in a bad light. Never !

anonymous-user

85 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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There have been a couple of worrying incidents on Ryanair flights over the last year or so.

Skavsta Incident

www.aaiu.ie/AAIUviewitem.asp?id=6946&lang=ENG&loc=1652

Rome Incident

www.flightinternational.com/Articles/2006/01/24/Navigation/195/204301/Ryanair+lapse+sparks+safety+spat.html

I am suprised these weren't mentioned.

>> Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 13th February 21:11

andy 308gtb

3,062 posts

252 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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The programme tried to infer that the pilots were exhausted.
The pilots legally can fly up to 100 hours a month up to a total of 900 hours (a year).
The fact that Ryannair had them flying 99.9 hours a month for nine months of the year (and then having Jan Feb & Mar on the ground, when their is less traffic presumably) looks to me like a good way to run an airline.
They also showed a pilot complaining that Ryannair would run them up to 897 hours - leaving 3 hours available for short notice cover - again I would say that this is good business practice.

No doubt the travel policy has changed at Channel 4 - and the executives are all having to get the cheapest flights. Some fat executive is trying to swing the policy back to BA Business class...

>> Edited by andy 308gtb on Monday 13th February 21:31

tomtom

4,265 posts

261 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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Why was the stewardess moaning about 10-11 hour days? Sounds fairly normal to me.

up-the-dubs

Original Poster:

4,282 posts

260 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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Tee hee hee! C4 (according to Ryanair so-far) faked a photo of a sleeping crew member! Ryanairs version. The Civil Aviation Authority (UK authority) will not be taking the matter any further either. Not really sure why I care so much, I just really hate these "Tabloid TV", we're out to get you, type programmes.

racingsnake

1,071 posts

256 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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The wheelchair charge is obscene.
Every passenger pays £6.97 for a wheelchair which cost £200 max to be avaliable.
200 passengers = £1394 per flight.
This odious s**t is profiteering on peoples disability.
The other airlines all supply these FOC.
He should be strung up IMHO.

Petrol_noggin

3,046 posts

251 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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racingsnake said:
The wheelchair charge is obscene.
Every passenger pays £6.97 for a wheelchair which cost £200 max to be avaliable.
200 passengers = £1394 per flight.
This odious s**t is profiteering on peoples disability.
The other airlines all supply these FOC.
He should be strung up IMHO.



fuel? airport surcharges? tax? security? landing fees? enroute charges? handling fees? staff? maintenance? materials? non operating costs? depreciation?

doesn't leave much from that £1394 does it?

racingsnake

1,071 posts

256 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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Everyone also pays tax etc...on top of the fee, what are you on about?