9 out of 10 people.....
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....have bought the latest man-made global warming propaganda, hook, line and sinker.
Taken from the AOL UK homepage today, some stunning propaganda with the hidden intention of manipulating people into accepting a new round of nuclear power stations.
There is a vote, where currently 90% want to see alot more done to combat the effects of man-made global warming. I can't believe how easily the public are manipulated by these fairy tales, right in the midst of the coldest winter for years!
Global Warming 'Turning Britain Into Tropics'
Britain could be as hot as the tropics and much of London could be under the sea if something is not done to tackle disastrous climate change, researchers claim.
A terrible vision of the planet 1,000 years from now has been painted by a team of scientists studying the effect of global warming.
According to the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, temperatures could rise by 15°C by the year 3000 and sea levels by more than 11 metres (36ft), flooding much of London. The report's findings dwarf previous estimates of sea level rises.
In a report for the Environment Agency, the centre said the abrupt changes could make Britain much hotter, or even - such is the uncertainty of the predictions - first colder and then hotter.
This could happen if the North Atlantic current system collapsed, denying Britain the warming effect of the Gulf Stream. Ocean surface temperatures would fall by 3°C, but as the Arctic sea ice melted, they would rise again by 8°C in an abrupt turnabout over a period of no more than about 20 years.
Baroness Young of Old Scone, the chief executive of the Environment Agency, told The Times: "We are running out of road on decision-making. Unless we dramatically change the use of fossil fuels then we will be committing future generations to the most severe impacts of climate change."
By the year 3000, the report warns that global warming could have more than quadrupled, with temperature rises of as much as 15°C, if people continued burning fossil fuels.
Sea levels will still be rising at the end of this millennium and the total increase could reach 11.4 metres, displacing hundreds of millions of people.
The acidity of the oceans will fall significantly, posing a threat to marine organisms such as corals and plankton. That, in turn, would affect the whole marine ecosystem
The report says the solution is to reduce emissions to zero by 2200.
Tim Lenton, lead author of the study, said: "While most studies stop at year 2100 with temperatures and sea level rising, we explored where they are heading into the next millennium. Only by starting to reduce carbon dioxide emissions now can we avoid dangerous climate change."
The message is that the world can afford to burn only about a quarter of its known reserves of fossil fuels. This implies a small increase in global emissions up to 2025, and reducing and eliminating them by 2200.
"If we follow business-as-usual then we will commit future generations to dangerous climate change," Dr Lenton said. The risk was that of returning the Earth to a hot state it had not been in since 55 million years ago.
Baroness Young said: "Tough decisions are needed soon. Many of our coastal towns could be in jeopardy and immediate action needs to be taken if we are to avoid many of these impacts.
"We need to get tough on energy efficiency. This means much tighter standards for buildings and government providing proper incentives for businesses from the transport sector if we are to meet our 2010 target of 20 per cent carbon reduction and tackle more strenuous targets for 2020."
Taken from the AOL UK homepage today, some stunning propaganda with the hidden intention of manipulating people into accepting a new round of nuclear power stations.
There is a vote, where currently 90% want to see alot more done to combat the effects of man-made global warming. I can't believe how easily the public are manipulated by these fairy tales, right in the midst of the coldest winter for years!
Global Warming 'Turning Britain Into Tropics'
Britain could be as hot as the tropics and much of London could be under the sea if something is not done to tackle disastrous climate change, researchers claim.
A terrible vision of the planet 1,000 years from now has been painted by a team of scientists studying the effect of global warming.
According to the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, temperatures could rise by 15°C by the year 3000 and sea levels by more than 11 metres (36ft), flooding much of London. The report's findings dwarf previous estimates of sea level rises.
In a report for the Environment Agency, the centre said the abrupt changes could make Britain much hotter, or even - such is the uncertainty of the predictions - first colder and then hotter.
This could happen if the North Atlantic current system collapsed, denying Britain the warming effect of the Gulf Stream. Ocean surface temperatures would fall by 3°C, but as the Arctic sea ice melted, they would rise again by 8°C in an abrupt turnabout over a period of no more than about 20 years.
Baroness Young of Old Scone, the chief executive of the Environment Agency, told The Times: "We are running out of road on decision-making. Unless we dramatically change the use of fossil fuels then we will be committing future generations to the most severe impacts of climate change."
By the year 3000, the report warns that global warming could have more than quadrupled, with temperature rises of as much as 15°C, if people continued burning fossil fuels.
Sea levels will still be rising at the end of this millennium and the total increase could reach 11.4 metres, displacing hundreds of millions of people.
The acidity of the oceans will fall significantly, posing a threat to marine organisms such as corals and plankton. That, in turn, would affect the whole marine ecosystem
The report says the solution is to reduce emissions to zero by 2200.
Tim Lenton, lead author of the study, said: "While most studies stop at year 2100 with temperatures and sea level rising, we explored where they are heading into the next millennium. Only by starting to reduce carbon dioxide emissions now can we avoid dangerous climate change."
The message is that the world can afford to burn only about a quarter of its known reserves of fossil fuels. This implies a small increase in global emissions up to 2025, and reducing and eliminating them by 2200.
"If we follow business-as-usual then we will commit future generations to dangerous climate change," Dr Lenton said. The risk was that of returning the Earth to a hot state it had not been in since 55 million years ago.
Baroness Young said: "Tough decisions are needed soon. Many of our coastal towns could be in jeopardy and immediate action needs to be taken if we are to avoid many of these impacts.
"We need to get tough on energy efficiency. This means much tighter standards for buildings and government providing proper incentives for businesses from the transport sector if we are to meet our 2010 target of 20 per cent carbon reduction and tackle more strenuous targets for 2020."
What is the government's motive for 'propaganda'? Nuclear power is a vote loser surely? If the government wanted to win votes they'd probably go coal fired the whole way.
I disagree that this is a 'cold' winter, because on this day 20 years ago we'd be clearing snow from the driveway here in Hampshire. Certainly not now.
Actual proof for global warming is hard to come across, if not impossible, because of natural variations in the climate. However, it is a well tested theory with plenty of secondary evidence.
I disagree that this is a 'cold' winter, because on this day 20 years ago we'd be clearing snow from the driveway here in Hampshire. Certainly not now.
Actual proof for global warming is hard to come across, if not impossible, because of natural variations in the climate. However, it is a well tested theory with plenty of secondary evidence.
FFS !
Within a couple of hundred years the Human Race will have completely merged with our technology (far in advance of the fictional "Borg" from Star Trek) and surely will be capable of surviving a bit of (possible) global warming.
www.kurzweil.net for further information.
Within a couple of hundred years the Human Race will have completely merged with our technology (far in advance of the fictional "Borg" from Star Trek) and surely will be capable of surviving a bit of (possible) global warming.
www.kurzweil.net for further information.
FourWheelDrift said:
Funny how no one ever seems to mention that the earth has naturally changed it's climate many times and is constantly changing. Unless the chain smoking, car driving, wood burning, nuclear-age dinosaurs are to blame.
As I said in my post, Global Warming is a theory, but it is hard to find proof because of these natural changes. However, you don't need to run straight into a theory to find the proof. In a seconday way, many of Global Warming's principles have been proven. 15 years ago, scientists were divided on it, whereas nowadays most are convinced.
I must confess though, I think the government's single minded attacks on various isolated elements of society and lifestyle are misguided. We need to encourage people to think responsibly about the world they live in, not just follow simple rules laid out by the government for blind obediance.
RobM77 said:
I must confess though, I think the government's single minded attacks on various isolated elements of society and lifestyle are misguided. We need to encourage people to think responsibly about the world they live in, not just follow simple rules laid out by the government for blind obediance.
Love, Peace, pass that carbon neutral reefer man. 
RobM77 said:
Funny how no one ever seems to mention that the earth has naturally changed it's climate many times and is constantly changing. Unless the chain smoking, car driving, wood burning, nuclear-age dinosaurs are to blame.
As I said in my post, Global Warming is a theory, but it is hard to find proof because of these natural changes. However, you don't need to run straight into a theory to find the proof. In a seconday way, many of Global Warming's principles have been proven. 15 years ago, scientists were divided on it, whereas nowadays most are convinced.
I must confess though, I think the government's single minded attacks on various isolated elements of society and lifestyle are misguided. We need to encourage people to think responsibly about the world they live in, not just follow simple rules laid out by the government for blind obediance.
I'd say Global Warming is a FACT - very interesting programme on the other night showing temp. changes for last 1000 years , and how it suddenly got a lot warmer since industrialisation - and how actual and "model" temps strongly correlate with Gas emissions.
Personally I think Gas emissions are likely to be a cause ( but NOT car pollution which is a tiny % and much less than it used to be ).
And I don't blame the West as much as the high-polluting ex-Soviet Bloc countries , and India + China.
deeps said:
Britain could be as hot as the tropics and much of London could be under the sea if something is not done to tackle disastrous climate change, researchers claim.
Bring it on. Given it will take 1000 years for that to happen we should have plenty of time to adjust our economy/housing/the local population etc to suit.
Nice.
I am still very indecided on this topic. I realise that it has been done to death on PH, so another discussion is not going to do too much harm.
I have read some of both sides of the argument, but it is hard to ignore some of the graphs depicting the rise in temperatures far and away steeper and higher for recent year in comparison to historical fluctuations. I also do worry about climate runaway, where the change is just too quick and extreme for this planet to cope and balance.
My personal view is. Man made climate change is a fact. - Deal with. How bad it will actually be is open to conjecture. I don't think it will be nearly as bad as some scientist are making out, but the planet is changing and we ought to be doing something to stop killing it.
I have no idea what the answers are, but they definitely bigger than wind turbines bicyles and turning your tv off standby.
There are too many people on this planet for it be able to sustain life in the quality that we come to expect in the 21st century...
I don't want to get politcal but all nations share the responsibility whether first or third world....
Discuss.
I have read some of both sides of the argument, but it is hard to ignore some of the graphs depicting the rise in temperatures far and away steeper and higher for recent year in comparison to historical fluctuations. I also do worry about climate runaway, where the change is just too quick and extreme for this planet to cope and balance.
My personal view is. Man made climate change is a fact. - Deal with. How bad it will actually be is open to conjecture. I don't think it will be nearly as bad as some scientist are making out, but the planet is changing and we ought to be doing something to stop killing it.
I have no idea what the answers are, but they definitely bigger than wind turbines bicyles and turning your tv off standby.
There are too many people on this planet for it be able to sustain life in the quality that we come to expect in the 21st century...
I don't want to get politcal but all nations share the responsibility whether first or third world....
Discuss.
Don said:
Britain could be as hot as the tropics and much of London could be under the sea if something is not done to tackle disastrous climate change, researchers claim.
Bring it on. Given it will take 1000 years for that to happen we should have plenty of time to adjust our economy/housing/the local population etc to suit.
Nice.
I thought the prediction was for Nova-Scotia-like winters once the Gulfstream slows down more ??( already slowed by 30 % in the North Atlantic )
Article said:
Global Warming 'Turning Britain Into Tropics'
Britain could be as hot as the tropics and much of London could be under the sea if something is not done to tackle disastrous climate change, researchers claim.
A terrible vision of the planet 1,000 years from now has been painted by a team of scientists studying the effect of global warming.
According to the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, temperatures could rise by 15°C by the year 3000 and sea levels by more than 11 metres (36ft), flooding much of London. The report's findings dwarf previous estimates of sea level rises.
In a report for the Environment Agency, the centre said the abrupt changes could make Britain much hotter, or even - such is the uncertainty of the predictions - first colder and then hotter.
This could happen if the North Atlantic current system collapsed, denying Britain the warming effect of the Gulf Stream. Ocean surface temperatures would fall by 3°C, but as the Arctic sea ice melted, they would rise again by 8°C in an abrupt turnabout over a period of no more than about 20 years.
Baroness Young of Old Scone, the chief executive of the Environment Agency, told The Times: "We are running out of road on decision-making. Unless we dramatically change the use of fossil fuels then we will be committing future generations to the most severe impacts of climate change."
By the year 3000, the report warns that global warming could have more than quadrupled, with temperature rises of as much as 15°C, if people continued burning fossil fuels.
Sea levels will still be rising at the end of this millennium and the total increase could reach 11.4 metres, displacing hundreds of millions of people.
The acidity of the oceans will fall significantly, posing a threat to marine organisms such as corals and plankton. That, in turn, would affect the whole marine ecosystem
The report says the solution is to reduce emissions to zero by 2200.
Tim Lenton, lead author of the study, said: "While most studies stop at year 2100 with temperatures and sea level rising, we explored where they are heading into the next millennium. Only by starting to reduce carbon dioxide emissions now can we avoid dangerous climate change."
The message is that the world can afford to burn only about a quarter of its known reserves of fossil fuels. This implies a small increase in global emissions up to 2025, and reducing and eliminating them by 2200.
"If we follow business-as-usual then we will commit future generations to dangerous climate change," Dr Lenton said. The risk was that of returning the Earth to a hot state it had not been in since 55 million years ago.
Baroness Young said: "Tough decisions are needed soon. Many of our coastal towns could be in jeopardy and immediate action needs to be taken if we are to avoid many of these impacts.
"We need to get tough on energy efficiency. This means much tighter standards for buildings and government providing proper incentives for businesses from the transport sector if we are to meet our 2010 target of 20 per cent carbon reduction and tackle more strenuous targets for 2020."
So, tomorrow the whole world could be invaded by human eating aliens, could be hit by 1000 asteroids and kill us all, could be hit by a pandemic of deadly virii, could be burnt to cinders by a big solar flare...
News reporters need ignoring 99% of the time, for what they say is simply speculation ontop of current facts
Asteroids exist and pass near earth, therfore my above statement is about as accurate as the news report.
Aliens more than likely exist, and some are likely preferential to human flesh (bit like chicken which everyone likes
) and so my statement is about as accurate as the above one. Ah, the joys of the media and government, and simple human minds!
Dave
alfaman said:
I'd say Global Warming is a FACT - very interesting programme on the other night showing temp. changes for last 1000 years , and how it suddenly got a lot warmer since industrialisation - and how actual and "model" temps strongly correlate with Gas emissions.
Personally I think Gas emissions are likely to be a cause ( but NOT car pollution which is a tiny % and much less than it used to be ).
And I don't blame the West as much as the high-polluting ex-Soviet Bloc countries , and India + China.
Just looking at a time period of 1000 years for the planet Earth is about as informative as the sample sizes used by cosmetic companies (75% of the 50 people we asked liked it).
Planets run in cycles that stretch into tens if not hundereds of thousands of years, 1000 years is about as acurate as saying we will never have summer here in Swindon again as it rained yesterday and the temp stayed below 10 degrees.
gideon said:
I'd say Global Warming is a FACT - very interesting programme on the other night showing temp. changes for last 1000 years , and how it suddenly got a lot warmer since industrialisation - and how actual and "model" temps strongly correlate with Gas emissions.
Personally I think Gas emissions are likely to be a cause ( but NOT car pollution which is a tiny % and much less than it used to be ).
And I don't blame the West as much as the high-polluting ex-Soviet Bloc countries , and India + China.
Just looking at a time period of 1000 years for the planet Earth is about as informative as the sample sizes used by cosmetic companies (75% of the 50 people we asked liked it).
Planets run in cycles that stretch into tens if not hundereds of thousands of years, 1000 years is about as acurate as saying we will never have summer here in Swindon again as it rained yesterday and the temp stayed below 10 degrees.
Yes, planets do run in cycles, but when you're looking for man made climate change you can't just ignore it because of these cycles - you have to try and seperate the natural cycle from global warming. Current models of global climate do fit with the notion that man is changing the climate of the earth through global warming.
Fat Audi 80 said:
Man made climate change is a fact.
It is exceptionally far from fact. - Debate still continues.
To think we can have an effect on something as epic as our planet's climate is a tad arrogant I think.
Just for reference, what do you think the ideal temperature for our planet should be?
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