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TeamD

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5,060 posts

263 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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Am I the only one who thinks that something is wrong with this?

Here

How can the price of wholesale gas have risen by 70% in less than a year?

vixpy1

42,699 posts

295 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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We are running out of gas

Well, apart from last nights curry people.. Jeeeez

Plotloss

67,280 posts

301 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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Does this mean electric will be dragged up with it due to gas fired power stations?

diddyman

3,646 posts

272 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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You seen their TV adverts? Words to the effect of a customer is returning to BG every 60 seconds. Yeah, right.

shadytree

8,291 posts

280 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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Plotloss said:
Does this mean electric will be dragged up with it due to gas fired power stations?


They don't run on electric do they

timmy30

9,325 posts

258 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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2006 is a historic year, it marks the point when after 30 years of self sufficiency the UK becomes a net importer of gas and oil. The fact that this has coindcided with something of a global energy sqeeze is the explanation for the price increases.

Now the fact that we are increasingly dependent on imports for almost everything we physically consume from food, to clothes, to cars and fuel shouldn't worry you as we have a world class paper shuffling sector.......


ps, Plotloss yes, that is exactly what is means, alot electicity in the UK is generated using gas powered plants.



>> Edited by timmy30 on Friday 17th February 13:38

Mr Whippy

32,453 posts

272 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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Power stations that run on gas to generate electricity...

Alot of the UK's vast reserves are being wasted for cheap power production today, at the cost of expensive alternatives in the future

Still, I could happily live using 50% of the power I do now if I had to, no skin of my back. Just the people who already live on the breadline, or have big families etc... feel sorry because this will squeeze alot of people badly!

Ah well, put it down to our amazing governments ability to plunder a cheap efficient public resource that would have lasted many decades for residential and industrial use, be wasted to generate cheap clean (ish) leccy for the short term!

Dave

TeamD

Original Poster:

5,060 posts

263 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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timmy30 said:
we have a world class paper shuffling sector.......


Soon to be replaced by an automated system designed, written, developed and tested in Bangalore.

FourWheelDrift

92,387 posts

315 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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BBC said:

Seventeen million British Gas customers are facing higher bills after the firm raised its gas and electricity prices.


Ah, and that would be why they have been calling me to move over to them for gas & electricity supplies, so that they can have more customers to invoice and they were saying they can save me money if I changed.

timmy30

9,325 posts

258 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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Mr Whippy said:

Ah well, put it down to our amazing governments ability to plunder a cheap efficient public resource that would have lasted many decades for residential and industrial use, be wasted to generate cheap clean (ish) leccy for the short term!

Dave


Oh that's not the worst of it, the stupid greedy ers just ramped the effective rate of corporation tax on companies exploring the N Sea for new reserves to over 50% with the result that many are cancelling projects......which will make the decline far steeper.

timmy30

9,325 posts

258 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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TeamD said:
timmy30 said:
we have a world class paper shuffling sector.......


Soon to be replaced by an automated system designed, written, developed and tested in Bangalore.




Iv'e given up banging on about a diverse economy being just as important as a diverse investment portfolio. Everyone else seems to think that investing every penny in buy-to-let and happily working in a call centre economy is a great idea.....no risk at all is there, what could go wrong?

alfaman

6,416 posts

265 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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The European wholesale price is artificially high - apparently there has been price fixing(?) , and supply hoarding ( to drive up prices ) in France and Germany - currently an investigation going on into "anti-competitive" behaviour in European Gas market.

timmy30

9,325 posts

258 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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alfaman said:
The European wholesale price is artificially high - apparently there has been price fixing(?) , and supply hoarding ( to drive up prices ) in France and Germany - currently an investigation going on into "anti-competitive" behaviour in European Gas market.



I really don't believe that, what I do believe is that the media are going to play on the anger/suprise felt by the general public by making sensational allegations that the market is somehow being rigged. The German media has made the same allegations about petrol prices, that was a load of cobblers too.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

301 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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This happened in America in 2000, they hiked it by much more than 20% too, without any warning at all, people opening $1000+ bills that were $300 the year before.

All forgotten about now, like this will be in 6 months.

Such is the nature of people...

Tuna

19,930 posts

315 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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That's why I have problems with the anti-greens who bang on about how unnecessary alternative power is, and whinge at nuclear and wind as being too intrusive in their precious little lives. I'm not 'green' - but ignoring all the global warming BS you can still see that dependancy on fossil fuels is not a good plan.

As someone has said, we're now a net importer (as is America) of fossil fuels, which makes the whole market (a)less controllable and (b)political. The result is nasty little suprises like this, and fights over sources of fuel (or "other people's countries" as they're more commonly called).

So - I'm looking into wood pellets to heat our home. I don't give a about the green bit, but I figure that trees are a fairly predictable crop with no built-in decline in supply, unlike gas, oil or lpg.

TheRedOnion

351 posts

249 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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Greedy money-grabbing bs!

As an aside I was reading a science journal a few months back and they were talking about gas hydrates buried under the sea. The total amount of these deposits stretch in to the trillions of tonnes mark, the only problem they have at the moment is finding a way of getting this stuff up from the sea bed as it's all mixed in with sediment. I've never even heard of this mentioned in the mainstream press. Perhaps they're trying to keep it quiet?

timmy30

9,325 posts

258 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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Tuna said:
As someone has said, we're now a net importer (as is America) of fossil fuels, which makes the whole market (a)less controllable and (b)political. The result is nasty little suprises like this, and fights over sources of fuel (or "other people's countries" as they're more commonly called).


Ironic that we're sitting directly over about 1000 years worth of recoverable coal isn't it, but that we import most of ours from Australia FFS......( whose coal incidentally the Chinese are now competing with us for ).

>> Edited by timmy30 on Friday 17th February 14:08

Plotloss

67,280 posts

301 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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A moot point about the coal surely?

As even if they hike the price of imported coal its still cheaper to import than dig it out ourselves.

A lunatic situation but on sheer economics...

TeamD

Original Poster:

5,060 posts

263 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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Plotloss said:
As even if they hike the price of imported coal its still cheaper to import than dig it out ourselves.


Not if we let lots of illegals through the boarders and force them downt pit when they get here.

motco

17,662 posts

277 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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Some of us had the foresight to take British Gas up on their 'no-rises' offer freezing the cost at 2005 level plus 2.8% until 2010 see here

>> Edited by motco on Friday 17th February 14:13