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Yesterday my brother was stopped and searched under Section 43 of the Anti Terrorism act. The police only stopped him out of all the other people at the station. They took a full description, all personal details and made him empty out his bag. First thing the said was "this is not racially motivated" or something along those lines, despite him being the only non white person there. They then gave him a form detailing why he had been stopped etc. He was dressed like a typical student (he's 21) Jeans, sweat shirt, beanie etc.
Honestly theis country is just going to the dogs!
Rant over
Honestly theis country is just going to the dogs!
Rant over
Very tough one for your brother. The whole concept of racial profiling is a sticky one for sure.
I hope he's OK and I also hope he can see through this thing given the times we live in today.
I don't know the circumstances, but maybe the police were acting on some sort of inteligence received and sadly your brother was the only guy that fitted the description they were working to? As I said, not nice for him and I hope he's OK.
andy
I hope he's OK and I also hope he can see through this thing given the times we live in today.
I don't know the circumstances, but maybe the police were acting on some sort of inteligence received and sadly your brother was the only guy that fitted the description they were working to? As I said, not nice for him and I hope he's OK.
andy
Was watching the programme with Walter Wolfgang in it last night, which tended to annoy me somewhat.
Theres two sides to the coin here, and i dont like either of them.
On the one hand we have a group of people that are extremely dangerous to ordinary western european/american citizens and so far all attacks have all been by asian perpertrators. Its a racially motivated "war" thats been declared against the west all linked in to the palestinian problem, its a free for all, for every lunatic who wants to kill us.
For that reason i can understand why the cops would use racial profiling to target possible suspects. Why would they use the anti terrorism laws against a white, swedish woman? Dosent fit the current profile. But dosent rule her out as an impossibility.
On the other hand, i dont like the cops just using it cos they can, whether asian, black, white, whatever.
Asians are not the only people being targetted (see last nights programme) its basically anyone the cops fancy pissing about, just cos Bliar decrees they can.
The losers in this whole sorry eff-up of a situation is you and me and poor old Freedom.
The terrorists HAVE won. They won the moment we beefed up airport security, when we introduced bag searches and changed our laws and ways of life to deny them access.
We lost our freedom from that very moment when Pinnochio Bliar and "IQ Bush" got their empty heads together and made a clonking sound, restricting our travel and introducing other "security" measures.
They did in one day what they told us (and the terrorists) they would never do: They told us theyd never change our way of life by the use of bombs and bullets.
Another lie.
Theres two sides to the coin here, and i dont like either of them.
On the one hand we have a group of people that are extremely dangerous to ordinary western european/american citizens and so far all attacks have all been by asian perpertrators. Its a racially motivated "war" thats been declared against the west all linked in to the palestinian problem, its a free for all, for every lunatic who wants to kill us.
For that reason i can understand why the cops would use racial profiling to target possible suspects. Why would they use the anti terrorism laws against a white, swedish woman? Dosent fit the current profile. But dosent rule her out as an impossibility.
On the other hand, i dont like the cops just using it cos they can, whether asian, black, white, whatever.
Asians are not the only people being targetted (see last nights programme) its basically anyone the cops fancy pissing about, just cos Bliar decrees they can.
The losers in this whole sorry eff-up of a situation is you and me and poor old Freedom.
The terrorists HAVE won. They won the moment we beefed up airport security, when we introduced bag searches and changed our laws and ways of life to deny them access.
We lost our freedom from that very moment when Pinnochio Bliar and "IQ Bush" got their empty heads together and made a clonking sound, restricting our travel and introducing other "security" measures.
They did in one day what they told us (and the terrorists) they would never do: They told us theyd never change our way of life by the use of bombs and bullets.
Another lie.
20 years ago an Irish man would be more likely to be stopped than an asian man. The profile of the people who are trying to destabilise/harm Western citizens has changed and so its hardly surprising the police response has changed. I'm no happier about it than you are but in the present climate its pretty unavoidable. What is avoidable is making political capital out of the situation which is something the labour government and the police authorities most certainly are doing!
Wildfire said:
Yesterday my brother was stopped and searched under Section 43 of the Anti Terrorism act. The police only stopped him out of all the other people at the station. They took a full description, all personal details and made him empty out his bag. First thing the said was "this is not racially motivated" or something along those lines, despite him being the only non white person there. They then gave him a form detailing why he had been stopped etc. He was dressed like a typical student (he's 21) Jeans, sweat shirt, beanie etc.
Honestly theis country is just going to the dogs!
Rant over
I think to be honest mate and knowing your brother it's lucky he isn't in jail for kicking the crap out of the coppers in a ninja stylee
Andy Mac said:
Unfortunately it is Arab/Midle Eastern profiles that are the main threat to terrorism at the moment. To be efficient they have to play the odds game. You wanna try going into Saudi. They are arsey with EVERY white peep!
I feel sorry for your brother if he feels unjustifiably targetted but if they had information about a potential incident Im glad they were being proactive - I know its not nice and feel the same way everytime I travel by plane and get pulled aside for 20 minutes while someone goes through the entire contents of my bags...(I must look dodgy).
>> Edited by polus on Saturday 18th February 13:44
polus said:
Unfortunately it is Arab/Midle Eastern profiles that are the main threat to terrorism at the moment. To be efficient they have to play the odds game. You wanna try going into Saudi. They are arsey with EVERY white peep!
I feel sorry for your brother if he feels unjustifiably targetted but if they had information about a potential incident Im glad they were being proactive - I know its not nice and feel the same way everytime I travel by plane and get pulled aside for 20 minutes while someone goes through the entire contents of my bags...(I must look dodgy).
>> Edited by polus on Saturday 18th February 13:44
I tend to get pulled a lot when they see my passport. It's jam full of residence visas, and entry visas for Saudi, UAE, Bahrain, etc...
F.M said:
..What about the terrorist policies being churned out from parliment. They and the U.S are pushing a delicate matter playing the school bully who demands that he and his frends are only allowed to carry baseball bats (i.e nuclear weapons ).
So you are comfortable with the idea of Iran having nuclear weapons. Given that the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, recently has called for Israel to be wiped off the map.
Heres a dillema, are they allowed to take a DNA sample via a swab or finger-prints under this section 43?
If thats the case, then yup, draconian rule under the false pretense of a free world has just jumped a whole new level!
Section 42 has been and will be misused to the police's advantage for other crimes, where before they were required to get a warrant.
It was a clever ploy, no wander the police in Luton are having a field day! lol
The old innocent until proven guilty out the window, in comes the 'you're guilty until we prove you are guilty' - gotta love the irony in this...
If thats the case, then yup, draconian rule under the false pretense of a free world has just jumped a whole new level!
Section 42 has been and will be misused to the police's advantage for other crimes, where before they were required to get a warrant.
It was a clever ploy, no wander the police in Luton are having a field day! lol
The old innocent until proven guilty out the window, in comes the 'you're guilty until we prove you are guilty' - gotta love the irony in this...
C C said:
..What about the terrorist policies being churned out from parliment. They and the U.S are pushing a delicate matter playing the school bully who demands that he and his frends are only allowed to carry baseball bats (i.e nuclear weapons ).
So you are comfortable with the idea of Iran having nuclear weapons. Given that the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, recently has called for Israel to be wiped off the map.
If Iran launches nukes at Israel, it will respond with it`s own nukes...mutual annialation...this is the world we live in. Self preservation of the Iranian state would come before it`s presidents ravings..I suggest Iran will be `struck` before April anyway...
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