THIS is WHY the UN has NO CREDIBILITY
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The IAEA head, Mohamed ElBaradi, said that "there is probably little to be done to stop Iran from enriching uranium and doing weapons research". He then went on to suggest that perhaps a "compromise" that would allow them to enrich "small" amounts of uranium if they "pledged not to build weapons"!! First, by admitting that there is little you could do to stop them, he just showed his hand and took the wind out of the Security Council's sails. Next, these "compromises" he speaks of just show the Iranians that they have already won and will get their way. I am NOT trying to debate Iran's right to possess weapons, simply that the UN needs to either stick to what it says or just stay the hell out of it. If they are not consistent, the world will never take them seriously......credibility please!!?!?
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>> Edited by jimbeaux on Sunday 19th February 16:05
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D_Mike said:
if america and then UK can invade iran becuase they are making nuclear weapons (its a threat to the freedom loving people of the world, isn't it?) than maybe NATO can invade the US because they won't close guantanomo (its a threat to the freedom loving people of the world isn't it?)
The american administration for all their leaders stupidity are in some ways canny sods.
They dont respect international law one jot, have bi-lateral agreements with the countries that do, and have opt out agreements with regards to criminal liability with many many members of the international community with regards to the ICC..
In fact I think John Bolton is on record as saying he doesnt accept international law actually exists..
D_Mike said:
if america and then UK can invade iran becuase they are making nuclear weapons (its a threat to the freedom loving people of the world, isn't it?) than maybe NATO can invade the US because they won't close guantanomo (its a threat to the freedom loving people of the world isn't it?)
Read my post...not the point. The point was that the UN either needs to back up what it says or not say anything, period.
jimbeaux said:
The IAEA head, Mohahmed Bardi, said that "there is probably little to be done to stop Iran from enriching uranium and doing weapons research". He then went on to suggest that perhaps a "compromise" that would allow them to enrich "small" amounts of uranium if they "pledged not to build weapons"!! First, by admitting that there is little you could do to stop them, he just showed his hand and took the wind out of the Security Council's sails. Next, these "compromises" he speaks of just show the Iranians that they have already won and will get their way. I am NOT trying to debate Iran's right to possess weapons, simply that the UN needs to either stick to what it says or just stay the hell out of it. If they are not consistent, the world will never take them seriously......credibility please!!?!?
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totally agree with you.
Team America just about summed up the UN. "we'll send a really really nasty letter".
MilnerR said:
The UN is as effective as the pre-war League of Nations. Who was it that described the LoN as a council of sheep passing resolutions on vegetarianism? The United Nations (of America) are a similar organisation...
America actually provide 25% of the entire funding for the United Nations...Funny that innit..
princeperch said:
The UN is as effective as the pre-war League of Nations. Who was it that described the LoN as a council of sheep passing resolutions on vegetarianism? The United Nations (of America) are a similar organisation...
America actually provide 25% of the entire funding for the United Nations...Funny that innit..
Which is all very well, IF you paid it... As it is the UK pay 1/6 of what the US pays, which would fit in a $ per capita... Notice that you also owe 241 million from previous years too! Bloody debtors!
>> Edited by Andy Mac on Sunday 19th February 15:46
flemke said:Spot on - athough why anyone would be suprised that a group of politicians get together, spend money and do nothing useful is beyond me.
The sickening irony is that two months ago the IAEA and its DG Mohamed ElBaradi were awarded the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize.
Talk about a mutual admiration society of self-important do-nothings: UN, EU, Nobel Committee, ad nauseum.
Andy Mac said:
The UN is as effective as the pre-war League of Nations. Who was it that described the LoN as a council of sheep passing resolutions on vegetarianism? The United Nations (of America) are a similar organisation...
America actually provide 25% of the entire funding for the United Nations...Funny that innit..
Which is all very well, IF you paid it... As it is the UK pay 1/6 of what the US pays, which would fit in a $ per capita... Notice that you also owe 241 million from previous years too! Bloody debtors!
>> Edited by Andy Mac on Sunday 19th February 15:46
As anyone who has read Robert Kiyosaki Rich Dad Poor Dad book will know, there are 2 types of debt, good debt and bad debt.
As far as our dues to the UN as concerned, that fits firmly into the good debt sector
wolves_wanderer said:
The sickening irony is that two months ago the IAEA and its DG Mohamed ElBaradi were awarded the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize.
Talk about a mutual admiration society of self-important do-nothings: UN, EU, Nobel Committee, ad nauseum.
What do you mean they are do-nothings? They appointed Libya to chair the Human Rights Committee?
>> Edited by jimbeaux on Sunday 19th February 16:08
Gazboy said:
if america and then UK can invade iran becuase they are making nuclear weapons (its a threat to the freedom loving people of the world, isn't it?) than maybe NATO can invade the US because they won't close guantanomo (its a threat to the freedom loving people of the world isn't it?)
Read my post...not the point. The point was that the UN either needs to back up what it says or not say anything, period.
It does sound a bit weird that a citizen of a country that disobeys international law is posting that the 'official' world police are useless. We'll have pikeys bitching that the police couldn't catch the graffitti artists who vandalised their vans posting next...
No offence meant Jim, it's just a little weird.
>> Edited by Gazboy on Sunday 19th February 16:09
Not at all. You touched precisely on my point. If they are the "Official World Police", then they need to make themselves effective. That starts with being able to ENFORCE their laws. What police force in the world do you know of, worthy of existence, does not have the ability to enforce law? Enforce, not decree or preach! If a police department possesed no threat of enforcement, what incentive would the villans have to go straight?
>> Edited by jimbeaux on Sunday 19th February 16:54
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