SVA Test - Chassis and engine numbers?
Discussion
Your engine will require a number for the registration document. I would get a set of number stamps and stamp one on. The chassis needs a Vin number which is allocated by the manufacturer..........if you are the manufacturer make up your own number, needs to be a 17 number/letter combination I think, but you'd better check that one.
If you can't prove the provenance of the engine, chassis and running gear you will get a Q plate.
Cheers,
Tony
If you can't prove the provenance of the engine, chassis and running gear you will get a Q plate.
Cheers,
Tony
Tony427 said:
......The chassis needs a Vin number which is allocated by the manufacturer..........if you are the manufacturer make up your own number, needs to be a 17 number/letter combination I think, but you'd better check that one........Tony
My chassis number in my V5C is ULTIMA and six digits so you could do something similar.
Steve
Your DVLA Local Office can allocate you a VIN number if you want them to. It will be of the international 17 character type. You will have to stamp it permanently on a conspicuous part of the chassis that is not likely to be subject to replacement in normal use. If you want to make up your own it will need to be at least 8 characters and mustn't be something daft like 00000001. They'll want there to be very little chance of it accidentally being picked by someone else!
You will need a chassis number, and it is supposed to be 17 digits long.
You do not need an engine number fot your V5, you can simply write "Not stated" in the reg. application form.
However you will need to prove the age of the engine for the SVA test. It does not matter that the engine came from a bike as it has now become a car engineand if you can't prove the engine is older than 1992 you will need to fit cats to the engine in order to pass the SVA test....Unless the engine breathes so cleanly that it can get through without them.
You do not need an engine number fot your V5, you can simply write "Not stated" in the reg. application form.
However you will need to prove the age of the engine for the SVA test. It does not matter that the engine came from a bike as it has now become a car engineand if you can't prove the engine is older than 1992 you will need to fit cats to the engine in order to pass the SVA test....Unless the engine breathes so cleanly that it can get through without them.
You'll be OK up to 31st July 1995 without cats.
I gather the problem with trying to retro-fit a cat on to a bike (or any!) engine designed without one isn't so much getting the CO and HC down but getting the lambda reading to sit (reliably) between the 0.97 and 1.03 that they ask for.
I gather the problem with trying to retro-fit a cat on to a bike (or any!) engine designed without one isn't so much getting the CO and HC down but getting the lambda reading to sit (reliably) between the 0.97 and 1.03 that they ask for.
Many moons ago I built a Cobra copy. It didn't have a manufacturers chassis number so I made one up. So, my initials as a start, CS, then some sort of extra letter, how about X, then some numbers.
How embarrassed was I when I found out this was the way the Caroll Shelby numbered his cars..... thankfully, the local inspector didn't like it anyway and made one up for me.
This was a totally honest mistake.
..but if you make up a number, check it with your local VRO. When I completed my Strat kit last year, it had a very old chassis number that used to be valid, but the rules changed between when the chassis was made and when I completed the car. When I sent in the SVA forms, the DVLA people suggested I check it with my VRO. The VRO didn't like it and gave me one they did. I stamped this onto the car and the chassis plate. Sent this info back to DVLA, got the SVA, then sent the registration forms to the VRO. They queried the fact that I hadn't returned the certificate stating I had gotten the number applied to the chassis. They wouldn't accept the SVA certificate as adequate proof(!) In the end, they accepted a statement from the MOT station that tested the car prior to SVA. Sending them the MOT certificate (which was tested on the chassis number) and the SVA certificate (which also shows the chassis number) didn't cut it.
Don't you just love bureaucracy. Took me a while to realise that the DVLA care about the SVA side but the local VRO are more bothered about possible criminal deceptions. Be nice if they talked to each other though.
All that said, both the DVLA & VRO were very helpful within the framework of their rules.
How embarrassed was I when I found out this was the way the Caroll Shelby numbered his cars..... thankfully, the local inspector didn't like it anyway and made one up for me.
This was a totally honest mistake.
..but if you make up a number, check it with your local VRO. When I completed my Strat kit last year, it had a very old chassis number that used to be valid, but the rules changed between when the chassis was made and when I completed the car. When I sent in the SVA forms, the DVLA people suggested I check it with my VRO. The VRO didn't like it and gave me one they did. I stamped this onto the car and the chassis plate. Sent this info back to DVLA, got the SVA, then sent the registration forms to the VRO. They queried the fact that I hadn't returned the certificate stating I had gotten the number applied to the chassis. They wouldn't accept the SVA certificate as adequate proof(!) In the end, they accepted a statement from the MOT station that tested the car prior to SVA. Sending them the MOT certificate (which was tested on the chassis number) and the SVA certificate (which also shows the chassis number) didn't cut it.
Don't you just love bureaucracy. Took me a while to realise that the DVLA care about the SVA side but the local VRO are more bothered about possible criminal deceptions. Be nice if they talked to each other though.
All that said, both the DVLA & VRO were very helpful within the framework of their rules.
tomuch said:
hi guys
i am trying to find out if a car has been type approved,
Who do i need to contact to find out .
and how do i find out if acar will pass the test today.
thanks
i am trying to find out if a car has been type approved,
Who do i need to contact to find out .
and how do i find out if acar will pass the test today.
thanks
What do you mean by 'Type approved'? Only production cars get type approved or perhaps some race cars that need homologation.
Kit or self built cars require an SVA test. This is carried out when that car first goes on the road but does not infer any approval for others built to the same design, every car has to be tested. In subsequent years the car will need a normal MOT test.
If the car you have in mind is already registered correctly then an MOT is all that is required.
Hope that covers everything. If not come back with more detail of what you have and want to do with it.
Steve
Hi Steve
My partner and i have just bought all rights to the evante mk1 .and all right to evante .
we have not bought the evante mk2! This is owned by another chap.
We are now looking a the cost to reproduce the cars and new models on a updated body style.
I have been trying to get a copy of a certificate to confirm the MK1 was type approved .
I am to understand there is possible another method for low volume manfacturing ,but i keep finding walls .I have lists of cars registerd and vin numbers from 1980+ .
I can prove production.
thanks for help
My partner and i have just bought all rights to the evante mk1 .and all right to evante .
we have not bought the evante mk2! This is owned by another chap.
We are now looking a the cost to reproduce the cars and new models on a updated body style.
I have been trying to get a copy of a certificate to confirm the MK1 was type approved .
I am to understand there is possible another method for low volume manfacturing ,but i keep finding walls .I have lists of cars registerd and vin numbers from 1980+ .
I can prove production.
thanks for help
Low volume manufacturing approval was, I think, one of the things manufacturers worked towards as it gave their product a 'Quality approval' stamp but I think that is water under the bridge now that SVA has been introduced. You may be looking for something that is no longer require or a benefit.
Steve
Steve
You might be looking for proof that it had "UK Low Volume Type Approval". That's what the likes of TVR would have. It is much easier and cheaper to get than the "full European" type approval which ordinary mass produced cars get but more expensive and difficult than SVA. It does involve some destructive testing - seat belt anchorages being the worst test as it involved (potentially) trashing a body/chassis. The bit of government that administers UK Low Volume Type Approval is the Vehicle Certification Agency. Give them a call on 0117 951 5151 and ask to speak to someone in the "Whole Vehicle" department. Ask them if they have any record of the vehicle ever having had it. They're the only people who could have issued such an approval so if they don't know, nobody will!
Unfortunately, I don't think it's worth getting your hopes up too much. Even if it DID have it, there's a pretty good chance that it will be out of date now anyway.
Unfortunately, I don't think it's worth getting your hopes up too much. Even if it DID have it, there's a pretty good chance that it will be out of date now anyway.
Following on from what Ian said above I think your next move is to post another thread asking for owners who have had their cars SVA tested and grill them on what problems were encountered if any. Also get yourself a copy of the SVA regulations and and work through them line by line to see if your car complies.
Steve
Steve
Gassing Station | Kit Cars | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff