Heel-Toeing in a 993
Discussion
I've had a 993 now for about three months and find the pedal arrangement quite difficult for heel-toeing.
Previously, I've had a 1976 911 which had what I consider to be a near perfect pedal layout for this and I was expecting similar with the 993.
The trouble is that the accelerator pedal is much further forward than the brake pedal. So you can't just roll your foot off to the side and blip the throttle on the downshift.
Does anyone know of a fix for this problem?
Previously, I've had a 1976 911 which had what I consider to be a near perfect pedal layout for this and I was expecting similar with the 993.
The trouble is that the accelerator pedal is much further forward than the brake pedal. So you can't just roll your foot off to the side and blip the throttle on the downshift.
Does anyone know of a fix for this problem?
screw a piece of wood , accelerator pedal size to said pedal, pedal takes screws no prob , paint it black and no one will know the differnce except u............just brings up the level u choose how far
There is anadjustment on back of pedal but enough in most cases .........alternative buy proprietary Aluminium pedal set and put something on peadl before cover = same effect
There is anadjustment on back of pedal but enough in most cases .........alternative buy proprietary Aluminium pedal set and put something on peadl before cover = same effect
I made a similar comment to Andy Walsh at North Weald a few weeks back, he promptly demonstrated that the pedals were fine!
With a bit more practice, I find the pedal layout is perfectly OK, although I admit it is easier to perform the technique when you are braking hard, because the brake pedal is pushed further in.
With a bit more practice, I find the pedal layout is perfectly OK, although I admit it is easier to perform the technique when you are braking hard, because the brake pedal is pushed further in.
jack911 said:
OK, it sounds like my pedal arrangement is different to most of the others.
Does anyone know if the brake and clutch pedals are adjustable in reach?
Not necessarily - I can't H&T easily in my 993 either, and asking the same question on here got an answer from Flemke saying the same thing as Agent Orange i.e. piece of wood on the pedal.
Maybe what I'm doing isn't proper toe-heeling, but it is strightforward in my car even under very normal braking. Press the brake with the ball of the foot and then as the clutch goes in, roll the foot over to the right and the outside give the throttle a bit of a prod. Makes for very smooth downshifts on the road
Some shoes are better than others,but I reall am not particularly skilled - ask any one of a number of instructors who have put up with me throwing them round in an ungainly manner
Some shoes are better than others,but I reall am not particularly skilled - ask any one of a number of instructors who have put up with me throwing them round in an ungainly manner
might be a feet / hip / technique issue cos i found the 993 easier than my current 996, mainly because i am sat too high up and catch my knee on the steering wheel.
There is no way my body will allow me to operate the throttle with my heel, not going to happen... no way... have to use the side of my foot, so i brake with the ball of my foot just behind the big toe and rock the rest of my foot over to the throttle. Only works when braking very hard because of height of pedals and also you do pulse a little more brake into the pedal which will be jerky unless you are braking very hard.
Like the wood idea though...apart from extra weight
There is no way my body will allow me to operate the throttle with my heel, not going to happen... no way... have to use the side of my foot, so i brake with the ball of my foot just behind the big toe and rock the rest of my foot over to the throttle. Only works when braking very hard because of height of pedals and also you do pulse a little more brake into the pedal which will be jerky unless you are braking very hard.
Like the wood idea though...apart from extra weight
james_j said:
What is 'Heel & Toeing'?
Braking and blippin the throttle at the same time as changing down a gear(s) by rockin your foot (while on the brake pedal) over onto the throttle. It makes for smoother changes and is easier on the clutch and gearbox.
Methinks, Piers, that he has missed your point....
See ...www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=227430&f=48&h=0&hw=Heel+and+Toe
>> Edited by paultje on Friday 24th February 10:58
I agree with james s and porsche4life as far as method goes..
When I've done heel-toeing in other cars I've used the ball of the foot on the brake and rolled the righthand side of the foot onto the accelerator to blip it. This of course relies on the accelerator pedal being at approximately the same level as the brake at that time. My point is, on my 993 at leaast, this is not the case. The accelerator is a good four inches further forward.
When I've done heel-toeing in other cars I've used the ball of the foot on the brake and rolled the righthand side of the foot onto the accelerator to blip it. This of course relies on the accelerator pedal being at approximately the same level as the brake at that time. My point is, on my 993 at leaast, this is not the case. The accelerator is a good four inches further forward.
Four inches ??????!!!!!! 
Sounds like you need your limbs realigning not the pedals !
But seriously the difference isn't normally that much, are your pads and discs worn ? thus allowing the brake pedal to sink well beneath the accelerator.
I'm told the pedals are adjustable, but I've yet to meet anyone that seems keen to do it , I'm guessing it's a fiddly job ?
I've always found on the LHD cars I'v owned that the pedal heights tend to be the opposite way round ie the brake pedal is higher than the throttle pedal which tends to be easier to solve.
Sounds like you need your limbs realigning not the pedals !
But seriously the difference isn't normally that much, are your pads and discs worn ? thus allowing the brake pedal to sink well beneath the accelerator.
I'm told the pedals are adjustable, but I've yet to meet anyone that seems keen to do it , I'm guessing it's a fiddly job ?
I've always found on the LHD cars I'v owned that the pedal heights tend to be the opposite way round ie the brake pedal is higher than the throttle pedal which tends to be easier to solve.
I think Jack is saying that his brake pedal is much higher than the accelerator even when he is braking hard. So it won't be worn brakes causing this. 4 inches.......I think you need to get someone else to try the car and see if the pdals are normal for a 993 or not. I do know that when I brake hard, my accelarator pedal is only slightly higher than the brake pedal and is therefore no problem or H&Ting.
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