why no ITV digital replacemenT?
why no ITV digital replacemenT?
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shnozz

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30,683 posts

302 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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Last time I owned an apartment there was a no satellite dish clause. No cable in the area meant that ITV digital was a saviour for all sky sports fans. ITV digital folds and I had moved to a house so went with the usual dish for a while but now moving back to an apartment. Once again, no cable, no dishes allowed so no Sky sports. I am amazed that this massive gap in the market hasn't been filled by a product such as ITV digital and assume its Sky's greed that has prevented this?

anonymous-user

85 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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God I must be slow. I thought it was purely ITV Digital News that had gone out of service...I'm sure I was watching ITV 3 and 4 last night. Or am I in the twilight zone?

ATG

23,857 posts

303 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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I think you may be able to get Sky over broadband.

editted to add ... having looked at their service it is a load of pants. You have to download the content before you can view it ... i.e. they're not streaming their normal programming.

>> Edited by ATG on Friday 24th February 09:35

chim_knee

12,689 posts

288 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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You're right - the choice on Freeview is pretty shite. What I can't understand is that, given that there is a limit to the number of channels they can broadcast, why is there like 3 or 4 channels selling tat/doing stupid quizzes/auctioning tat? There's QVC, price-drop tv, bid up tv and rubbish like that.

Who chose which channels to give the broadcast rights to? Why the have they obviously got "an eye for a bargin" and a penchant for yellow metal?

TeamD

5,060 posts

263 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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chim_knee said:
You're right - the choice on Freeview is pretty shite. What I can't understand is that, given that there is a limit to the number of channels they can broadcast, why is there like 3 or 4 channels selling tat/doing stupid quizzes/auctioning tat? There's QVC, price-drop tv, bid up tv and rubbish like that.

Who chose which channels to give the broadcast rights to? Why the have they obviously got "an eye for a bargin" and a penchant for yellow metal?


Simple. Cash. The tat channels make money by selling...well...tat! They pay for their slot from their profits. All the others have to fund their service through their ads. So the implication here is that chavs have funded the tat channels at the expense of the "nromal" stuff. But I could be wrong.

raceboy

13,939 posts

311 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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Now I can't find a link but I'm pretty sure I didn't dream it, if it's a no dish policey, and not 'no sky' there are companies that make disguised arials, I can find one painted green and stuck in a bush, and another pretending to be a sun dial, but I'm sure I've seen some that look like plant pots that you can just put on a balconey, got to be worth a look, can't imagine going back to 5 channels.

slapmatt

1,132 posts

253 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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Does anyone know when you'll be able to get proper Sky without needing a council estate dish?

Until then I'll be sticking with poor man's television.

shnozz

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30,683 posts

302 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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raceboy said:
Now I can't find a link but I'm pretty sure I didn't dream it, if it's a no dish policey, and not 'no sky' there are companies that make disguised arials, I can find one painted green and stuck in a bush, and another pretending to be a sun dial, but I'm sure I've seen some that look like plant pots that you can just put on a balconey, got to be worth a look, can't imagine going back to 5 channels.


ooooh, sounds interesting. Do they do one that looks like a spare engine or a pile of empty beer cans so that it goes unnoticed at my place?

would be interested in this

whatever

2,174 posts

301 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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shnozz said:
Last time I owned an apartment there was a no satellite dish clause. No cable in the area meant that ITV digital was a saviour for all sky sports fans. ITV digital folds and I had moved to a house so went with the usual dish for a while but now moving back to an apartment. Once again, no cable, no dishes allowed so no Sky sports. I am amazed that this massive gap in the market hasn't been filled by a product such as ITV digital and assume its Sky's greed that has prevented this?

Looks like you're right - topup tv don't carry sky sports, either. Maybe look into the broadband, as ATG suggests?

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

265 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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The security on Freeview is appaulingly bad. Thats one reason.

chim_knee

12,689 posts

288 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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Parrot of Doom said:
The security on Freeview is appaulingly bad. Thats one reason.
Do you mean the scrambling?

>> Edited by chim_knee on Friday 24th February 09:49

raceboy

13,939 posts

311 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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Knew I'd not imagined them.........

www.digicams-uk.com/prod235.htm

pdV6

16,442 posts

292 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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TeamD said:
chim_knee said:
You're right - the choice on Freeview is pretty shite. What I can't understand is that, given that there is a limit to the number of channels they can broadcast, why is there like 3 or 4 channels selling tat/doing stupid quizzes/auctioning tat? There's QVC, price-drop tv, bid up tv and rubbish like that.

Who chose which channels to give the broadcast rights to? Why the have they obviously got "an eye for a bargin" and a penchant for yellow metal?


Simple. Cash. The tat channels make money by selling...well...tat! They pay for their slot from their profits. All the others have to fund their service through their ads. So the implication here is that chavs have funded the tat channels at the expense of the "nromal" stuff. But I could be wrong.

Plus also, tat channels like that don't actually require very much bandwitdth to be broadcast at decent quality (unlike sports and movie channels) so more can be fitted into existing (limited) bandwith. More always looks "better" on paper...

Additionally, tat channels don't even need to be broadcast at 'decent' quality, so they can up the compression a bit and squeeze a few more in again.

chim_knee

12,689 posts

288 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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pdV6 said:
TeamD said:
chim_knee said:
You're right - the choice on Freeview is pretty shite. What I can't understand is that, given that there is a limit to the number of channels they can broadcast, why is there like 3 or 4 channels selling tat/doing stupid quizzes/auctioning tat? There's QVC, price-drop tv, bid up tv and rubbish like that.

Who chose which channels to give the broadcast rights to? Why the have they obviously got "an eye for a bargin" and a penchant for yellow metal?


Simple. Cash. The tat channels make money by selling...well...tat! They pay for their slot from their profits. All the others have to fund their service through their ads. So the implication here is that chavs have funded the tat channels at the expense of the "nromal" stuff. But I could be wrong.

Plus also, tat channels like that don't actually require very much bandwitdth to be broadcast at decent quality (unlike sports and movie channels) so more can be fitted into existing (limited) bandwith. More always looks "better" on paper...

Additionally, tat channels don't even need to be broadcast at 'decent' quality, so they can up the compression a bit and squeeze a few more in again.
Sadly, it all makes sense now! I assumed it was going to be financially driven but didn't realise that broadcast quality too.

pdV6

16,442 posts

292 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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Indeed. Anything that consists of mostly "static" shots, i.e. newsreaders sitting behind desks, QVC products on display etc. compress very well. Rapidly changing scenes (e.g. action films, sports etc) don't compress so well without a large drop in quality.

{edited to add:} As a rough comparison, 2 full-quality digital film channels will fit into the same bandwidth as an old analogue channel. That same badwidth can be used for, say, 8 or so news channels if you don't mind the quality suffering a little.

>> Edited by pdV6 on Friday 24th February 11:30

chim_knee

12,689 posts

288 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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pdV6 said:
Indeed. Anything that consists of mostly "static" shots, i.e. newsreaders sitting behind desks, QVC products on display etc. compress very well. Rapidly changing scenes (e.g. action films, sports etc) don't compress so well without a large drop in quality.

{edited to add:} As a rough comparison, 2 full-quality digital film channels will fit into the same bandwidth as an old analogue channel. That same badwidth can be used for, say, 8 or so news channels if you don't mind the quality suffering a little.

>> Edited by pdV6 on Friday 24th February 11:30
Interesting. I was aware(ish) that MPEG compresses by only storing changes between frames (is that right?). Is this the same thing?

baskey

14,291 posts

257 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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check if you can get HomeChoice where you are... cable darn the phoneline combined with broadband...

Plotloss

67,280 posts

301 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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Few options:

Top up TV
Homechoice (if in area)
Sky over BB (not quite cemented as a service)
MS IPTV (not quite ready for market yet, expect it soon though)

shnozz

Original Poster:

30,683 posts

302 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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cheers for a whole host of ideas chaps. i really didnt know they existed and was thinking ignore the rules and risk losing 12 months Sky fee was the only option. Seems a few more are available after all. Will get the keys and then do some digging around google. muchos gracias.

JimNoble

410 posts

313 months

Friday 24th February 2006
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