Faster than a Murcielago
Faster than a Murcielago
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agent006

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12,058 posts

286 months

Sunday 22nd December 2002
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Just read an article in the Times motoring bit about 0-60 times, comparing to 30-70 times. The article basically slates the idea of 0-60. Shows a list of fastest 30-70 times. As expected the McLaren F1 is fastest, then Caterham R500, then the usual Zondas and stuff. Then comes the Tuscan S, one place and about a second faster than the Murcielago. Expected? Common knowledge, or am i the only one who was surprised by this?

Jason F

1,183 posts

306 months

Sunday 22nd December 2002
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A lot of these times are meaningless to me anyway..

A better driver than I will ever be with better track/road conditions than I will ever experience will have set them..

What I am interested in is how fast can I get it to go in the real world..

Froth

100 posts

279 months

Sunday 22nd December 2002
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Jason F said:
What I am interested in is how fast can I get it to go in the real world..


That's why 30-70 is better.

e.g. an Impreza turbo is quicker to 60 than a Focus RS but a Focus RS is quicker from 30-70. In actual fact, although the impreza is quicker of the mark, once you are up and running the RS absolutely destroys it. Hence it's the 30-70 time you should take most notice of, because in the 'real world' if you came across an impreza while driving an RS you would be able to eat him up for breakfast. Yum Yum.

simpo one

90,893 posts

287 months

Sunday 22nd December 2002
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It surprised me to see that my old 4.0 Jag was given a 50-70 time of 4.4 secs - quicker than nearly every other car in the list. Mind you, that was when 'What Car' car gave interesting stats rather than 'seat comfort' etc...

CraigAlsop

1,991 posts

290 months

Sunday 22nd December 2002
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Froth said:

Jason F said:
What I am interested in is how fast can I get it to go in the real world..


That's why 30-70 is better.

e.g. an Impreza turbo is quicker to 60 than a Focus RS but a Focus RS is quicker from 30-70. In actual fact, although the impreza is quicker of the mark, once you are up and running the RS absolutely destroys it. Hence it's the 30-70 time you should take most notice of, because in the 'real world' if you came across an impreza while driving an RS you would be able to eat him up for breakfast. Yum Yum.


Whilst I have never driven the Focus RS, all the reviews seem to say it is fantastic on smooth roads & track conditions, but scarey on anything with a normal (ie crap surface).
With this in mind, I would think that this plays to the Impreza's strengths, which is easy to drive at 9/10ths on any road surface, and in the hands of a good driver as fast as pretty much anything from A->B.
Don't get me wrong, I have had RS Fords before & loved 'em (when they worked), and admire Ford's decision to bring out such a car, but I would imagine that even the current (ugly, softer) Impreza would be a fair match for the RS on normal roads.

donatien

1,113 posts

280 months

Sunday 22nd December 2002
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Yawn. Torque does the business, power gets you high speeds. But you can't swap one for the other.

swilly

9,699 posts

296 months

Monday 23rd December 2002
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As long as my baby can keep me sh*tting my pants, i'm a happy man. 0-60, 30-70 you can keep em.

nubbin

6,809 posts

300 months

Monday 23rd December 2002
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Interesting that the author used the Tamora against the Evo VII as a comparison - 30-70 in the Tamora 3.2 secs, Evo 4.4! Obviously that doesn't account for road surface, wet, corners etc, but shows the pulling power that TVR's generate!

smifffy

2,000 posts

288 months

Monday 23rd December 2002
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Froth said:

Jason F said:
What I am interested in is how fast can I get it to go in the real world..


That's why 30-70 is better.

e.g. an Impreza turbo is quicker to 60 than a Focus RS but a Focus RS is quicker from 30-70. In actual fact, although the impreza is quicker of the mark, once you are up and running the RS absolutely destroys it. Hence it's the 30-70 time you should take most notice of, because in the 'real world' if you came across an impreza while driving an RS you would be able to eat him up for breakfast. Yum Yum.



Unless the Impreza happens to be a P1.

RS? I'll have mine with scrambled eggs and toast please.


JonGwynne

270 posts

287 months

Monday 23rd December 2002
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Froth said:

Jason F said:
What I am interested in is how fast can I get it to go in the real world..


That's why 30-70 is better.

e.g. an Impreza turbo is quicker to 60 than a Focus RS but a Focus RS is quicker from 30-70. In actual fact, although the impreza is quicker of the mark, once you are up and running the RS absolutely destroys it. Hence it's the 30-70 time you should take most notice of, because in the 'real world' if you came across an impreza while driving an RS you would be able to eat him up for breakfast. Yum Yum.




Doesn't the Lancia Delta Integrale rule the 30-70 roost? I heard a pundit claim that they were faster than anything (normal) on the road including things like 911 turbos.

Also, didn't Lancia win a ton of Rally races with it?

donatien

1,113 posts

280 months

Monday 23rd December 2002
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I seem to remember an old yardstick was that a fast car could do 0-100 in roughly double the time of 0-60. So that is about right for the Cerb 4.5 but the Griff is just a little off, not that 10.5 to a ton is slow by any means. I think I read it in an article about a Maserati Khamsin, it was something like 5.5 to 60 and 11.5 to 100, probably very fast for its' era.