Animal lab supporters go on march
Discussion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/ox
About time
The sooner these animal rights nutters are put back in their box the better. Just one quote about the good work the scientists are doing, Physiology professor John Stein said: "Imagine yourself with a drowsy, whimpering three-year-old with meningitis. "Fifty years ago, that child would have died. Now, due to the discovery and isolation of penicillin in this university, we can stop that child dying."
Who gave the animal rights nutters the right to decide to let children die? The pro research rally was organised by a sixteen year old. Fair play to her.
The BBC said:
Hundreds of people marched in support of animal testing at Oxford University's new £18m biomedical research centre on Saturday.
Students, academic staff and members of the public gathered near the lab site, being built under strict security.
Anti-vivisection activists, who believe animal testing "belongs in the past", want to stop the centre opening.
Supporters of the centre argue it is essential for research into treatments for human medical conditions.
My message to the extremists is that you will never win
Local MP Dr Evan Harris
Physiology professor John Stein said: "Imagine yourself with a drowsy, whimpering three-year-old with meningitis.
"Fifty years ago, that child would have died. Now, due to the discovery and isolation of penicillin in this university, we can stop that child dying."
Local MP Dr Evan Harris told the crowd that he acted as a human guinea pig in tests for HIV and Aids treatments.
He received cheers from the crowd as he said: "My message to the extremists is that you will never win.
"Every single action of harassment, of intimidation or violence undermines any legitimacy your case ever had."
I actually welcome this rally... it brings questions about animal research out into the open even more
Mel Broughton, SPEAK
Laurie Pycroft, the 16-year-old founder of the student movement Pro-Test, which sparked the campaign in favour of the new laboratory, said: "I felt that it was about time to speak out in support of scientific research."
The event was timed to coincide with animal rights group Speak's rival rally at the nearby Cornmarket, which attracted more than 150 people.
At one point, the two rival groups stood just a few hundred metres apart across a "no-go zone" controlled by mounted police.
Voices were raised but there was no direct confrontation.
Thames Valley Police said there had been no arrests.
Mel Broughton, from Speak, which opposes violent protest, told the BBC's Today programme: "I actually welcome this [the Pro-Test rally].
"I think it brings questions about animal research out into the open even more.
"We have to be very clear - whatever Pro-Test may or may not do isn't going to alter what Speak does.
"We have been there for two years and we will be there for as long as it takes."
About time
The sooner these animal rights nutters are put back in their box the better. Just one quote about the good work the scientists are doing, Physiology professor John Stein said: "Imagine yourself with a drowsy, whimpering three-year-old with meningitis. "Fifty years ago, that child would have died. Now, due to the discovery and isolation of penicillin in this university, we can stop that child dying." Who gave the animal rights nutters the right to decide to let children die? The pro research rally was organised by a sixteen year old. Fair play to her.
BliarOut said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/ox
Who gave the animal rights nutters the right to decide to let children die? The pro research rally was organised by a sixteen year old. Fair play to her.
Agreed, I hope they don't start intimidating her and throwing paint at her house, these people really are the dregs of society and have no morals
What a load of b*llocks you talk!!!!!
So it's ok to let animals suffer and die in order to stop the same thing happening to humans!!! What gives people the right to do this!?!? What if a more superior lifeform came to this planet from another and did the same to us, that would be just fine, wouldn't it!!!!!!
I suggest you take a backwards step and look what humans are doing to this planet and our fellow creatures!!!!
The human race: wars, rape, murder, torture, paedophilia, bestiality etc etc etc. Just watch and listen to the news, it's all there!!!
So it's ok to let animals suffer and die in order to stop the same thing happening to humans!!! What gives people the right to do this!?!? What if a more superior lifeform came to this planet from another and did the same to us, that would be just fine, wouldn't it!!!!!!
I suggest you take a backwards step and look what humans are doing to this planet and our fellow creatures!!!!
The human race: wars, rape, murder, torture, paedophilia, bestiality etc etc etc. Just watch and listen to the news, it's all there!!!
eldudereno said:
What a load of b*llocks you talk!!!!!
So it's ok to let animals suffer and die in order to stop the same thing happening to humans!!! What gives people the right to do this!?!? What if a more superior lifeform came to this planet from another and did the same to us, that would be just fine, wouldn't it!!!!!!
I suggest you take a backwards step and look what humans are doing to this planet and our fellow creatures!!!!
The human race: wars, rape, murder, torture, paedophilia, bestiality etc etc etc. Just watch and listen to the news, it's all there!!!
yes it is acceptable as we humans are more important
eldudereno said:
What a load of b*llocks you talk!!!!!
So it's ok to let animals suffer and die in order to stop the same thing happening to humans!!! What gives people the right to do this!?!? What if a more superior lifeform came to this planet from another and did the same to us, that would be just fine, wouldn't it!!!!!!
I suggest you take a backwards step and look what humans are doing to this planet and our fellow creatures!!!!
The human race: wars, rape, murder, torture, paedophilia, bestiality etc etc etc. Just watch and listen to the news, it's all there!!!
I'll worry about that when it happens but for now I'd sooner see cures for terrible illnesses being developed with the help of animal experimentation and trust that in light of extreme and public reaction from the nutters it is done as humanely as possible. Don't forget a hell of a lot of this work is tested on humans too
eldudereno said:
What a load of b*llocks you talk!!!!!
So it's ok to let animals suffer and die in order to stop the same thing happening to humans!!! What gives people the right to do this!?!? What if a more superior lifeform came to this planet from another and did the same to us, that would be just fine, wouldn't it!!!!!!
I suggest you take a backwards step and look what humans are doing to this planet and our fellow creatures!!!!
The human race: wars, rape, murder, torture, paedophilia, bestiality etc etc etc. Just watch and listen to the news, it's all there!!!
The Lentils are strong in this one.
BliarOut said:
Physiology professor John Stein said: "Imagine yourself with a drowsy, whimpering three-year-old with meningitis. "Fifty years ago, that child would have died. Now, due to the discovery and isolation of penicillin in this university, we can stop that child dying."
eldudereno said:
The human race: wars, rape, murder, torture, paedophilia, bestiality etc etc etc. Just watch and listen to the news, it's all there!!!
Yeah, those 3 year old babies are evil bastards.
Twat.
eldudereno said:
What a load of b*llocks you talk!!!!!
So it's ok to let animals suffer and die in order to stop the same thing happening to humans!!! What gives people the right to do this!?!? What if a more superior lifeform came to this planet from another and did the same to us, that would be just fine, wouldn't it!!!!!!
I suggest you take a backwards step and look what humans are doing to this planet and our fellow creatures!!!!
The human race: wars, rape, murder, torture, paedophilia, bestiality etc etc etc. Just watch and listen to the news, it's all there!!!
The animal kingdom: war (of a kind), rape, murder, torture, paedophilia, beastialitry ewtc etc etc. The animal kingdom is far more cruel then anything the human race can imagine. Not all animals are cute and fluffy and pwetty and nice and.......
Do you stand up for the ugly creatures as well, or just the cute ones? Do you worry about chickens when a fox gets in and kills them all- not one for food, but all of them. Probably because he enjoys it. Do yuo stop that from happening?
Grow up, for all our sake's
eldudereno said:
What a load of b*llocks you talk!!!!!
So it's ok to let animals suffer and die in order to stop the same thing happening to humans!!! What gives people the right to do this!?!? What if a more superior lifeform came to this planet from another and did the same to us, that would be just fine, wouldn't it!!!!!!
I suggest you take a backwards step and look what humans are doing to this planet and our fellow creatures!!!!
The human race: wars, rape, murder, torture, paedophilia, bestiality etc etc etc. Just watch and listen to the news, it's all there!!!
any species will look after its own kind, and as we humans are lucky enough to be the most powerful species on the planet we get the oppurtunity to look after our own interests above all else. do you really think a pride of lions has a committee debating whether or not it is really "moral" or "acceptable in modern society" to hunt, chase and kill that gazelle over there in such inhumane fashion?
The Animal Kingdom is a very brutal place itself, so you can't really use the argument that we are cruel to there screatures. From Mice to Rabbits, a lot of animals would hurt or kill these creatures to better themselves, what is the difference when we do it?
But if there is a good viabble alternative, it would be a lot better. But modern tecnology can not yet compare to actually testing it on animals.
BTW: Soap in rabbits eyes is a bit evil though.
But if there is a good viabble alternative, it would be a lot better. But modern tecnology can not yet compare to actually testing it on animals.
BTW: Soap in rabbits eyes is a bit evil though.
eldudereno said:Actually it wasn't me who said that, it was the BBC. But I'll give you my opinion and we'll see if it carries more weight than your insults.
What a load of b*llocks you talk!!!!!
So it's ok to let animals suffer and die in order to stop the same thing happening to humans!!! What gives people the right to do this!?!? What if a more superior lifeform came to this planet from another and did the same to us, that would be just fine, wouldn't it!!!!!!
I suggest you take a backwards step and look what humans are doing to this planet and our fellow creatures!!!!
The human race: wars, rape, murder, torture, paedophilia, bestiality etc etc etc. Just watch and listen to the news, it's all there!!!
I was impressed with the way when questioned one of the scientists said his work has allowed him to help people who suffer from constant and intolerant pain from phantom limbs. I hadn't even considered that, have you? He also said they are close to alleviating the constant shaking and shuffling bought about by the onset of Parkinsons disease. Worthy work in my opinion.
Have you seen a limbless child ravaged by Meningitis? What about research into Alzheimers? A disease that can turn the most intelligent individual into a non thinking shell, damned to a life of constant bewilderment, unable to recognise even their nearest and dearest. The research performed by scientists provides cures for the the debilitating afflictions disease and injury can bring about. Yes, it involves experiments on animals, not with any malicious intent, but with a desire to help mankind.
Are you an animal rights activist? You certainly have the same mentality, to wit: an inability to see any viewpoint other than your own.
Let's see, scientists in Oxford, are they involved in the following?
wars, nope
rape, nope
murder, nope
torture, nope
paedophilia, nope
bestiality, nope
I fail to see why you used these points unless it was in a piss poor attempt to liken scientific research to any of the above.
How about this list?
Intimidation
Arson
Vandalism
Destruction of property
Desecration of graves
Guess which group have been involved in the above. For the terminally hard of thinking I'll give you a clue. It's the "animal rights" movement.
When you are old enough to have a family of your own you may see things differently. Until then, either debate with a modicum of intelligence or keep your name calling for your chums in the playground.
I'm strung between this. I'm for medical research, but sticking lipstick on a rabbit, or spraying chemicals in a chimps eyes just so some blonde, dizzy bint can look like a barbie doll, I'm not sure. Try it on the dumb cows who insist on troweling it on their faces...OR.. those who are dolites, get those to test make up. Not aly would they make a bit of cash, but it would drastically improve their pikey appearance!
Testing cancer/aids/doo-lally old people drugs is ok, as the plusses outweight the negatives, but make up, and cosmetic stuff... Not sure.
Testing cancer/aids/doo-lally old people drugs is ok, as the plusses outweight the negatives, but make up, and cosmetic stuff... Not sure.
These are the two sides to animal testing.
The scientists in labs doing research in stem cells, cloning, parkinsons, alzheimer's, etc.
The pharmasuticals, with their shampoo and lip stick.
IMO, one latter can be wrong, but the Scientists are seperate, and we need them.
ETA: Just made exactly the same point as Andy above, sorry.
>> Edited by Raffles on Sunday 26th February 14:37
The scientists in labs doing research in stem cells, cloning, parkinsons, alzheimer's, etc.
The pharmasuticals, with their shampoo and lip stick.
IMO, one latter can be wrong, but the Scientists are seperate, and we need them.
ETA: Just made exactly the same point as Andy above, sorry.
>> Edited by Raffles on Sunday 26th February 14:37
Andy Mac said:
I'm strung between this. I'm for medical research, but sticking lipstick on a rabbit, or spraying chemicals in a chimps eyes just so some blonde, dizzy bint can look like a barbie doll, I'm not sure. Try it on the dumb cows who insist on troweling it on their faces...OR.. those who are dolites, get those to test make up. Not aly would they make a bit of cash, but it would drastically improve their pikey appearance!
Testing cancer/aids/doo-lally old people drugs is ok, as the plusses outweight the negatives, but make up, and cosmetic stuff... Not sure.
i agree with you on this point. cosmetic testing is largely unnecesary simply because it has no major benefit to humans (other than making them look nice).
as far as i am aware, the research lab at oxford is being set up to further look into major human diseases such as alzheimers, so in my opinion its existence is completely justified by its potential benefits to humans.
also:
to BliarOut. very well puteldudereno said:
What a load of b*llocks you talk!!!!!
So it's ok to let animals suffer and die in order to stop the same thing happening to humans!!! What gives people the right to do this!?!? What if a more superior lifeform came to this planet from another and did the same to us, that would be just fine, wouldn't it!!!!!!
I suggest you take a backwards step and look what humans are doing to this planet and our fellow creatures!!!!
Have you ever worked in a establishment that performs tests on animals for medical research? Are you aware of legislation and red tape put in place to satisfy people like yourself? Nope? Probably just form your opinion from the criminals who terrorise honest working people. Do you understand what they are doing and why or do you just buy into the hype? Obviously with an opinion like yours I would assume that you refuse treatment from illness via drugs?
eldudereno said:
The human race: wars, rape, murder, torture, paedophilia, bestiality etc etc etc. Just watch and listen to the news, it's all there!!!
Being treated for depression? >> Edited by polus on Sunday 26th February 14:39
>> Edited by polus on Sunday 26th February 14:45
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