Computerised MOT linked to ANPR
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Picked the Golf up from the local garage after having its annual service done, MOT not due for a couple of months.
Garage has just gone computerised on the MOT and commented that any MOT failures were now automatically logged on the computer.
They continued that should you have a week left on your MOT, and you to take the car for an MOT, and the car to fail on something, should you drive off to get the work done somewhere else, or do it yourself, then police using ANPR could pull you over and ask you why you were driving an un-roadworthy car, take "appropriate action" - even though it still has a valid MOT.
Also talk of the MOT going up to £100, presumably to get rid of all the old bangers.
Garage has just gone computerised on the MOT and commented that any MOT failures were now automatically logged on the computer.
They continued that should you have a week left on your MOT, and you to take the car for an MOT, and the car to fail on something, should you drive off to get the work done somewhere else, or do it yourself, then police using ANPR could pull you over and ask you why you were driving an un-roadworthy car, take "appropriate action" - even though it still has a valid MOT.
Also talk of the MOT going up to £100, presumably to get rid of all the old bangers.
reanimate said:
Picked the Golf up from the local garage after having its annual service done, MOT not due for a couple of months.
Garage has just gone computerised on the MOT and commented that any MOT failures were now automatically logged on the computer.
They continued that should you have a week left on your MOT, and you to take the car for an MOT, and the car to fail on something, should you drive off to get the work done somewhere else, or do it yourself, then police using ANPR could pull you over and ask you why you were driving an un-roadworthy car, take "appropriate action" - even though it still has a valid MOT.
Also talk of the MOT going up to £100, presumably to get rid of all the old bangers.
I didn't think an MOT was an indication of roadworthyness at any other time than that when the car was tested.I'm sure it says something along these lines on the ceertificate?
reanimate said:
Also talk of the MOT going up to £100, presumably to get rid of all the old bangers.
No, that'll be to fleece the motorist some more - get more money for Gordon Brown!!!
If true (remain to be convinced), that actually causes an owner problems - if the car fails, then the garage can hold the owner to ransom, saying he can't drive it until it's fixed, but the garage will fix it for £££££££££££.
Only options left to the driver are:-
1) Break the law and hope said devious garage don't ring plod
2) Get AA/RAC to tow...but will they if it's not a breakdown...they seem to be refusing as much as they can nowadays
3) Phone another garage you trust, get them to collect with a tow-truck...but chances are that'll cost as well.
...hang on, was this legislation concocted by the Devious-Underhanded-Motor-Traders-Association and somehow slipped in with a legitimate bill?!?
havoc said:
Also talk of the MOT going up to £100, presumably to get rid of all the old bangers.
No, that'll be to fleece the motorist some more - get more money for Gordon Brown!!!
Gordon Brown gets very little or nothing from MOT revenue, it's to help the garages pay for the thousands of pounds worth of equipment they have to buy and the extra labour to carry out an MOT
_dobbo_ said:
So falcemob are you saying that the cost of performing an MOT has almost tripled, thus meaning garages need to increase the cost to £100 to make up the difference?
I'm saying Gordon Brown gets very little or nothing from MOT revenue, it's to help the garages pay for the thousands of pounds worth of equipment they have to buy and the extra labour to carry out an MOT
falcemob said:
So falcemob are you saying that the cost of performing an MOT has almost tripled, thus meaning garages need to increase the cost to £100 to make up the difference?
I'm saying Gordon Brown gets very little or nothing from MOT revenue, it's to help the garages pay for the thousands of pounds worth of equipment they have to buy and the extra labour to carry out an MOT
All you've done is post the exact same statement as before!!
Are we talking about the same thing? I'm asking why does the MOT need to go up to £100? Not how much of current MOT money goes to gordon brown (it would be a minimum of 17.5% I imagine....)
_dobbo_ said:Y
So falcemob are you saying that the cost of performing an MOT has almost tripled, thus meaning garages need to increase the cost to £100 to make up the difference?
I'm saying Gordon Brown gets very little or nothing from MOT revenue, it's to help the garages pay for the thousands of pounds worth of equipment they have to buy and the extra labour to carry out an MOT
All you've done is post the exact same statement as before!!
Are we talking about the same thing? I'm asking why does the MOT need to go up to £100? Not how much of current MOT money goes to gordon brown (it would be a minimum of 17.5% I imagine....)
Sorry, you made it sound like I was defending Gordon Brown, £100 is a figure that has been banded about, there is nothing fixed in stone saying it will go to that. I don't know the exact figure but I remember my uncle saying he used to pay about £3 per certificate, I don't know how the new computerised ones work out.
It now takes a lot longer per MOT and as legislation changes it will take even longer.
There is then all the new equipment they have to buy and keep up to date, £6000 for a gas anylizer and £3000 for a new brake tester in the last 6 months, this has to be compatible with the computer system that Seimens provide and kept up to date as things change. As has been said elswhere they are now talking about CCTV linked to VOSA to check that the correct car is being tested at the time.
It all adds up and the costs will rise.
falcemob said:
Sorry, you made it sound like I was defending Gordon Brown, £100 is a figure that has been banded about, there is nothing fixed in stone saying it will go to that. I don't know the exact figure but I remember my uncle saying he used to pay about £3 per certificate, I don't know how the new computerised ones work out.
It now takes a lot longer per MOT and as legislation changes it will take even longer.
There is then all the new equipment they have to buy and keep up to date, £6000 for a gas anylizer and £3000 for a new brake tester in the last 6 months, this has to be compatible with the computer system that Seimens provide and kept up to date as things change. As has been said elswhere they are now talking about CCTV linked to VOSA to check that the correct car is being tested at the time.
It all adds up and the costs will rise.
Ah, so in other words, this is even more of a con than usual:-
Government changes rules.
Government implements new computer system with preferred (read big-backhander) supplier.
Preferred supplier knows code for new system, so gets to sell lots of expensive kit to MOT stations.
MOT stations have to then fleece customers just to pay for expensive kit!
It's missed the middle-man out for once, the government's just giving our money straight to their cronies!
havoc said:
Sorry, you made it sound like I was defending Gordon Brown, £100 is a figure that has been banded about, there is nothing fixed in stone saying it will go to that. I don't know the exact figure but I remember my uncle saying he used to pay about £3 per certificate, I don't know how the new computerised ones work out.
It now takes a lot longer per MOT and as legislation changes it will take even longer.
There is then all the new equipment they have to buy and keep up to date, £6000 for a gas anylizer and £3000 for a new brake tester in the last 6 months, this has to be compatible with the computer system that Seimens provide and kept up to date as things change. As has been said elswhere they are now talking about CCTV linked to VOSA to check that the correct car is being tested at the time.
It all adds up and the costs will rise.
Ah, so in other words, this is even more of a con than usual:-
Government changes rules.
Government implements new computer system with preferred (read big-backhander) supplier.
Preferred supplier knows code for new system, so gets to sell lots of expensive kit to MOT stations.
MOT stations have to then fleece customers just to pay for expensive kit!
It's missed the middle-man out for once, the government's just giving our money straight to their cronies!
You can turn it anyway you want, next you'll be saying they're all Freemasons in it together
My tester doesn't do repairs just mot tests. He's a top bloke I've known for many years.
He told me that he has had to have a new computer and must do a test in 45 minutes and that it would cost £45. The results are logged. He said there could be a retest but this also had to take the full 45 minutes and he's of the opinion that this has been done to make sure no testers take short cuts.
No doubt this info will be abused by HMG and we'll pay an extra tax somewhere along the line. Failing an mot doesn't always mean an unroadworthy vehicle. If there's anything dangerous the tester will issue an advice or warning.
Boosted.
He told me that he has had to have a new computer and must do a test in 45 minutes and that it would cost £45. The results are logged. He said there could be a retest but this also had to take the full 45 minutes and he's of the opinion that this has been done to make sure no testers take short cuts.
No doubt this info will be abused by HMG and we'll pay an extra tax somewhere along the line. Failing an mot doesn't always mean an unroadworthy vehicle. If there's anything dangerous the tester will issue an advice or warning.
Boosted.
The reason the price may go up is simple.
VOSA have a standard time for an MoT test to take. They have always known how many tests any test centre can theoretically carry out between 08:00 and 17:00 each day. With the computer link they can now enforce the maximum number of tests a centre can carry out. No more 15 minute MoTs! Therefore the test centre, who may have been discounting the full cost of the test because they were doing more than the theoretical maximum tests per day, can no longer do this as big brother (aka VOSA) is watching. Hence they will now have to charge the full amount to cover their costs.
The CCTV link may or may not be on the cards for your local MoT test centre as your local MoT centre may in the medium term be a thing of the past. VOSA are already considering having only VOSA run MoT test centres in Britain. Impossible? It’s already the case in Northern Ireland.
VOSA have a standard time for an MoT test to take. They have always known how many tests any test centre can theoretically carry out between 08:00 and 17:00 each day. With the computer link they can now enforce the maximum number of tests a centre can carry out. No more 15 minute MoTs! Therefore the test centre, who may have been discounting the full cost of the test because they were doing more than the theoretical maximum tests per day, can no longer do this as big brother (aka VOSA) is watching. Hence they will now have to charge the full amount to cover their costs.
The CCTV link may or may not be on the cards for your local MoT test centre as your local MoT centre may in the medium term be a thing of the past. VOSA are already considering having only VOSA run MoT test centres in Britain. Impossible? It’s already the case in Northern Ireland.
The reason the price may go up is simple.
VOSA have a standard time for an MoT test to take. They have always known how many tests any test centre can theoretically carry out between 08:00 and 17:00 each day. With the computer link they can now enforce the maximum number of tests a centre can carry out. No more 15 minute MoTs! Therefore the test centre, who may have been discounting the full cost of the test because they were doing more than the theoretical maximum tests per day, can no longer do this as big brother (aka VOSA) is watching. Hence they will now have to charge the full amount to cover their costs.
The CCTV link may or may not be on the cards for your local MoT test centre as your local MoT centre may in the medium term be a thing of the past. VOSA are already considering having only VOSA run MoT test centres in Britain. Impossible? It’s already the case in Northern Ireland.
VOSA have a standard time for an MoT test to take. They have always known how many tests any test centre can theoretically carry out between 08:00 and 17:00 each day. With the computer link they can now enforce the maximum number of tests a centre can carry out. No more 15 minute MoTs! Therefore the test centre, who may have been discounting the full cost of the test because they were doing more than the theoretical maximum tests per day, can no longer do this as big brother (aka VOSA) is watching. Hence they will now have to charge the full amount to cover their costs.
The CCTV link may or may not be on the cards for your local MoT test centre as your local MoT centre may in the medium term be a thing of the past. VOSA are already considering having only VOSA run MoT test centres in Britain. Impossible? It’s already the case in Northern Ireland.
I'd prefer an MOT to make sure my car was safe, and having them not go work hunting to make themselves some money at the MOT/garage centre.
If the car fails, it's in essence an advisory (ie, you pay for an MOT, but get no certificate, so in essence you haven't had a re-test, you've had a mock MOT that says you would have failed), you go away, fix the faults, then go for an MOT check again, and if it's fine, then it passes. It's no different to looking at your bald tyres and seeing that they are illegal, and then driving around on them! At that point the car has an MOT, but it's still illegal, and wouldn't pass an MOT today. Still has an MOT by law, but it's not roadworthy.
How much more complicated can it be?
ALL the car and trucks in britain could fail an MOT tomorrow. Anyone without washer fluid in, anyone with any lights out, worn brakes, bushes, brake hoses, tyres. Half of the countries cars would be off the road tomorrow!
So, if it fails the new MOT with an old one still in force, the old one still applies. If your car failed an MOT six months ahead of it expiring, it's still got a legitimate MOT for MOT's sake.
However, a car with no washer fluid, or a light out, is just as illegal to be on the road with a valid MOT as a car that has still a valid MOT yet failed on those very same things at a test station.
A week after your new MOT your tyres could become bald and illegal, you have an MOT, but the tyres are still illegal, it doesn't need an MOT re-test to prove it. So ultimately your at risk of an un-roadworthy car all year round, so a car with a failed MOT will have likely been un-road worthy for several weeks or months before that point anyway. So why go rushing out after said car after a re-test anyway, when the chances are alot of other cars *could* have faults anyway?
How many cars under 3 years could easily fail an MOT on bulbs and tyres or brakes? LOADS, but no effort to monitor their road safety standard!
Sounds like alot of noise about nothing, and if it is something, then government again doing the wrong thing. Less incentive to MOT car at all. MORE likely to not take the car for re-test the same day or next-day after fixing because you'll have to pay either way, so driving around longer before getting it fixed!
Just a load of balls that won't do anything for the safety of the cars on the road. Several people at my work failed their MOT's this year because of several illegal tyres
Now, if they had any idea at all they'd have sorted them for others safety months ago, their own safety even, or simply to get through the MOT? Nope, seems not!
Need more Plod on the road stopping people and checking for safety compliance all the time, not just yearly checks that do little the rest of the year for those who care little about general car safety... and cost a fortune in the process... Hey, Labour red tape again. Lots of fuss and cost, no discernable benefit!
Dave
>> Edited by Mr Whippy on Tuesday 7th March 23:39
If the car fails, it's in essence an advisory (ie, you pay for an MOT, but get no certificate, so in essence you haven't had a re-test, you've had a mock MOT that says you would have failed), you go away, fix the faults, then go for an MOT check again, and if it's fine, then it passes. It's no different to looking at your bald tyres and seeing that they are illegal, and then driving around on them! At that point the car has an MOT, but it's still illegal, and wouldn't pass an MOT today. Still has an MOT by law, but it's not roadworthy.
How much more complicated can it be?
ALL the car and trucks in britain could fail an MOT tomorrow. Anyone without washer fluid in, anyone with any lights out, worn brakes, bushes, brake hoses, tyres. Half of the countries cars would be off the road tomorrow!
So, if it fails the new MOT with an old one still in force, the old one still applies. If your car failed an MOT six months ahead of it expiring, it's still got a legitimate MOT for MOT's sake.
However, a car with no washer fluid, or a light out, is just as illegal to be on the road with a valid MOT as a car that has still a valid MOT yet failed on those very same things at a test station.
A week after your new MOT your tyres could become bald and illegal, you have an MOT, but the tyres are still illegal, it doesn't need an MOT re-test to prove it. So ultimately your at risk of an un-roadworthy car all year round, so a car with a failed MOT will have likely been un-road worthy for several weeks or months before that point anyway. So why go rushing out after said car after a re-test anyway, when the chances are alot of other cars *could* have faults anyway?
How many cars under 3 years could easily fail an MOT on bulbs and tyres or brakes? LOADS, but no effort to monitor their road safety standard!
Sounds like alot of noise about nothing, and if it is something, then government again doing the wrong thing. Less incentive to MOT car at all. MORE likely to not take the car for re-test the same day or next-day after fixing because you'll have to pay either way, so driving around longer before getting it fixed!
Just a load of balls that won't do anything for the safety of the cars on the road. Several people at my work failed their MOT's this year because of several illegal tyres
Now, if they had any idea at all they'd have sorted them for others safety months ago, their own safety even, or simply to get through the MOT? Nope, seems not! Need more Plod on the road stopping people and checking for safety compliance all the time, not just yearly checks that do little the rest of the year for those who care little about general car safety... and cost a fortune in the process... Hey, Labour red tape again. Lots of fuss and cost, no discernable benefit!
Dave
>> Edited by Mr Whippy on Tuesday 7th March 23:39
reanimate said:
So ... if your tester - who doesn't do any repairs - fails a car due to it being unroadworthy, while still within its MOT period, how should the customer legally retrieve and get the car fixed.
In the real world.
He just fails it or writes out an advice. With or without an mot it's your problem not his. You sort it out, it's your car. Usually a failure is pretty minor and doesn't make the car dangerous to drive so you just drive it away and fix it. Very rarely will they say it's dangerous to drive but even then I don't think they can stop you driving it away. A blown bulb for instance doesn't condemn the car as being dangerous.
Boosted.
Mr Whippy said:
Sounds like alot of noise about nothing, and if it is something, then government again doing the wrong thing. Less incentive to MOT car at all. MORE likely to not take the car for re-test the same day or next-day after fixing because you'll have to pay either way, so driving around longer before getting it fixed!
Not really - have you noticed that you can now tax your car on-line? V5C on DVLA/VOSA's database, insurance on DVLA/VOSA's database, within a year all MoTs on DVLA/VOSA's database.
Seen the DVLA adverts about fines by post for no tax or SORN? It'll be the same for MoT's, no SORN and MoT expired - fine by post. How long before it'll be insurance expired and no SORN and then fine by post?
Of course none of this will affect the types that drive around in a car not registered to them and with no MoT and no insurance, they're outside the system so the system can't fine them! Cynical? Moi?
Boosted Ls1 said:
So ... if your tester - who doesn't do any repairs - fails a car due to it being unroadworthy, while still within its MOT period, how should the customer legally retrieve and get the car fixed.
In the real world.
He just fails it or writes out an advice. With or without an mot it's your problem not his. You sort it out, it's your car. Usually a failure is pretty minor and doesn't make the car dangerous to drive so you just drive it away and fix it. Very rarely will they say it's dangerous to drive but even then I don't think they can stop you driving it away. A blown bulb for instance doesn't condemn the car as being dangerous.
Boosted.
Thats the point - they won't be able to just write it out, it will go straight to the computer.
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