Speeders to be "re-educated"
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Speeding drivers are to be given the chance to go on speed awareness courses (payment required) instead of a fine and points.
Apparently 3 million drivers will get caught in 2003 causing the " 1000 deaths on our roads".
Speed awareness courses huh?...yes officer i was "aware" that i was doing 110mph... what of it?
Ill take the points and the fine...screw your condescending attitudes and shove yer courses up, yes right up yer arse!
Apparently 3 million drivers will get caught in 2003 causing the " 1000 deaths on our roads".
Speed awareness courses huh?...yes officer i was "aware" that i was doing 110mph... what of it?
Ill take the points and the fine...screw your condescending attitudes and shove yer courses up, yes right up yer arse!
speed kills-speed kills 
95 quid and a day of my time, vs £60 and 3 points. Tough one, but I don't much fancy the points to be honest. May learn something too, although I am a bit sceptical about the day changing my attitude to driving.
Minor point though, as pointed out the last time this came up. The people being offered these courses, tend to be the ones doing 35 in a 30. This is definitely where the effort should be, but not sure that they would have got anything a few years back.
The overwhelming opinion on here (well it is my opinion so I may just be looking out for the likeminded
) is that a lot of 30's should be considered very much an upper limit, so maybe re-education is possible.
As for 110mph anywhere, I think it is still go directly to court, do not pass re-education scheme, pay x thousand pounds and take points a plenty. And yes you possibly were safer at 100+, than the guy in the course with no points doing 35 outside a school at 3:30pm. The one thing that everybody agrees on is that we haven't got speeding laws sorted yet
Minor point though, as pointed out the last time this came up. The people being offered these courses, tend to be the ones doing 35 in a 30. This is definitely where the effort should be, but not sure that they would have got anything a few years back.
The overwhelming opinion on here (well it is my opinion so I may just be looking out for the likeminded
) is that a lot of 30's should be considered very much an upper limit, so maybe re-education is possible. As for 110mph anywhere, I think it is still go directly to court, do not pass re-education scheme, pay x thousand pounds and take points a plenty. And yes you possibly were safer at 100+, than the guy in the course with no points doing 35 outside a school at 3:30pm. The one thing that everybody agrees on is that we haven't got speeding laws sorted yet
Yep - agree with this one daydreamer. Have had many near misses this year in built up areas which were avoided as I was within the speed limit and able to brake in time or take avoiding action. Thankfully not human but animals including cats, dogs, ducks and a very large deer not to mention the skittish horse that was unsettled by a Range Rover speeding past it
daydreamer said: The overwhelming opinion on here (well it is my opinion so I may just be looking out for the likeminded
Killing any living creature with my car is not something I wish to do.
STOP RIGHT THERE.
This thing about 30mph limits. Most of them used to be 40mph, and some even 50 or NSL.
Don't be fooled by the speed limit, use your discretion. Some NSL roads need to be taken cautiously, some 30 limits have been artificially introduced. Just 'cos it says 30, doensn't *always* mean it should be.
This is the problem, we are being fooled by the spin - first they say "speed kills" then they reduce speed limits unneccessarily. Everyone follows like sheep because of the brain washing.
Yeah - don't speed where there are hazards, but also don't be taken in by the hype, or one day we will all be doing 20mph EVERYWHERE.
I am taking this speeding issue VERY seriously, so much so that I may get a bike that can only do about 110mph, but 0-60 in 4 seconds, so I get my thrills at much lower speeds....
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This thing about 30mph limits. Most of them used to be 40mph, and some even 50 or NSL.
Don't be fooled by the speed limit, use your discretion. Some NSL roads need to be taken cautiously, some 30 limits have been artificially introduced. Just 'cos it says 30, doensn't *always* mean it should be.
This is the problem, we are being fooled by the spin - first they say "speed kills" then they reduce speed limits unneccessarily. Everyone follows like sheep because of the brain washing.
Yeah - don't speed where there are hazards, but also don't be taken in by the hype, or one day we will all be doing 20mph EVERYWHERE.
I am taking this speeding issue VERY seriously, so much so that I may get a bike that can only do about 110mph, but 0-60 in 4 seconds, so I get my thrills at much lower speeds....
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Can I pay the money and go on the course just out of curiosity? I wouldn't be disruptive or argumentative, honest!!
DAZ
Can't imagine any of us lot getting offered courses rather than points. As mentioned earlier it's all a complete sham aimed at those drivers who previously would have been let off anyway.
DAZ
Can't imagine any of us lot getting offered courses rather than points. As mentioned earlier it's all a complete sham aimed at those drivers who previously would have been let off anyway.
and enjoy new levels of braking and cornering too!
hertsbiker said: I am taking this speeding issue VERY seriously, so much so that I may get a bike that can only do about 110mph, but 0-60 in 4 seconds, so I get my thrills at much lower speeds....
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Shame that you are thinking this way "Nil Carborundum Illegitimi" don't let'em get to you, but I know what you mean
The overwhelming opinion on here (well it is my opinion so I may just be looking out for the likeminded ) is that a lot of 30's should be considered very much an upper limit, so maybe re-education is possible.
Agree with HB. Just returned from 600 mile round trip to S Coast generally avoiding motorways. Main thing that hits me is in so many places 30 limits have been extended by a ridiculous amount sometimes half a mile or more either side of some small group of houses. Also the powers that be have now seen fit to impose some long stretches of 30 limits on a series of bends that a competent driver would find safe at more than double that. As well as 30 limits on dual carriageways etc. Sure I agree that people should not exceed 30 in a truly 'built-up area' but this is just taking the p155.
So this leads plod's favourite trick of exploiting the situation by havibng a scamera nicking people in the first or last 50 yards of such limits.
Get a Caterham 7 and enjoy new levels of braking and cornering too!
An excellent idea, however - once you have tasted the joy of motorcycling, you may realise that even a slow bike is more fun than a fast car. Obviously not all of you would neccessarily agree with that, but that is how it is for me. So a "7" would be good, if I could afford one AND a bike!
Nope, I think that I am not giving in by opting for a "slower" machine, but I am giving myself more chance to slow down for cameras !!!!!!!! to be fair, on a sports bike I tend to 'cruise' at about 110, at which speed I am well and truly in the do-do's if I get caught. By moving to a bike with 110mph MAX, I will cruise at about 80mph, which brings me back to fixed-penalty-land, rather than Ban-land.
Yeah, looks like even hard core speeders like myself are having to change, but atleast I won't be a boring fart like most of the british population.
Roll on the next government.
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I can see both sides Carl. I try and stay in the sub 95 zone on the motorways, but the times that I do most of my milage (i.e. very early morning or late at night), this is very difficult 
. Big stretch of road, no other cars, best chance of being stopped (all of my points have come from this type of road). In fact three of us got snapped on the M56 in the middle of the day in good conditions two weeks ago, the max speed being 90 
- when this happens, it is very easy to get frustrated with the police policy makers and target setters!
Still, I drive across Snake Pass a few times a week, and it is rare not to see fresh flowers. To be honest, if you can't have fun on a road like this without exceeding the speed limit by too much, then you (i.e. the collective you, not anybody in particular) are possibly driving a car/bike that is too good for the available roads. The flowers are a constant reminder that even good riders / drivers can get it wrong, and on a road like this, there are few second chances .
I fully agree that the 30 limits are extending out of control, but I very rarely see a camera in these areas that isn't there for a safety reason. Anyway, the arguement is that with general observation, you will pick out pedestrians that are looking like stepping onto the road. If this is the case, then it should be fairly easy to pick out the camera.
When the cameras are out in the sticks half a mile before the built up area then sure, I do what everybody else does, and brake for the camera then speed up again. Yes this uses more fuel, is dangerous, slows traffic etc, but if they are going to put cameras in stupid places then they should expect them to be abused.
As with all of the threads on this topic at the moment, the only agreement is that the clamp down is getting out of control and there appears to be fcuk all that we can do about it.
Unfortunately if this contiues then people with a more supportive view of the cameras, i.e. appropriate cameras are as important as being able to drive at appropriate speed - inappropriate camera are as dangerous as inappropriate speed, will dwindle, and then we will have one of two extremes on the roads. Either very dangerous as no speed controls will be exercised (it is not reasonable to assume that the whole of the driving public can judge appropriate speed), or we will drive everywhere at 20. Neither are good solutions!
. Big stretch of road, no other cars, best chance of being stopped (all of my points have come from this type of road). In fact three of us got snapped on the M56 in the middle of the day in good conditions two weeks ago, the max speed being 90 - when this happens, it is very easy to get frustrated with the police policy makers and target setters! Still, I drive across Snake Pass a few times a week, and it is rare not to see fresh flowers. To be honest, if you can't have fun on a road like this without exceeding the speed limit by too much, then you (i.e. the collective you, not anybody in particular
) are possibly driving a car/bike that is too good for the available roads. The flowers are a constant reminder that even good riders / drivers can get it wrong, and on a road like this, there are few second chances . I fully agree that the 30 limits are extending out of control, but I very rarely see a camera in these areas that isn't there for a safety reason. Anyway, the arguement is that with general observation, you will pick out pedestrians that are looking like stepping onto the road. If this is the case, then it should be fairly easy to pick out the camera.
When the cameras are out in the sticks half a mile before the built up area then sure, I do what everybody else does, and brake for the camera then speed up again. Yes this uses more fuel, is dangerous, slows traffic etc, but if they are going to put cameras in stupid places then they should expect them to be abused.
As with all of the threads on this topic at the moment, the only agreement is that the clamp down is getting out of control and there appears to be fcuk all that we can do about it.
Unfortunately if this contiues then people with a more supportive view of the cameras, i.e. appropriate cameras are as important as being able to drive at appropriate speed - inappropriate camera are as dangerous as inappropriate speed, will dwindle, and then we will have one of two extremes on the roads. Either very dangerous as no speed controls will be exercised (it is not reasonable to assume that the whole of the driving public can judge appropriate speed), or we will drive everywhere at 20. Neither are good solutions!
I've been driving around South London, between London, Birmingham and Manchester for many years now.
I can't think of a single road that has a lower speed limit other than one just by my house that is now a 20, protected by a camera. There are about three schools in close proximity, there is a blind brow where there have been many accidents as people who think they know better drive too fast over the crest and then can't stop for an obstacle in front of them.
Are you trying to say that the 30mph in suburban areas should be increased? What to?
It seems to me that most of the govt propaganda concerns suburban roads (where people drive too fast and people die).
Most of the post on here concern A roads and dual carriageways where its not such a big deal. Except where some badly placed cameras have given gatsos a bad name.
I can't think of a single road that has a lower speed limit other than one just by my house that is now a 20, protected by a camera. There are about three schools in close proximity, there is a blind brow where there have been many accidents as people who think they know better drive too fast over the crest and then can't stop for an obstacle in front of them.
Are you trying to say that the 30mph in suburban areas should be increased? What to?
It seems to me that most of the govt propaganda concerns suburban roads (where people drive too fast and people die).
Most of the post on here concern A roads and dual carriageways where its not such a big deal. Except where some badly placed cameras have given gatsos a bad name.
LMAO! I wasnt aware that Gatsos ever had anything other than a BAD name m8!
Pedestrian charging schemes is what i wanna see next!
Youre usin the pavement Mr Ped, now ya gotta pay for it, and maybe, just maybe theyd pay more attention to things before they stepped out?
Ya never know.......
Pedestrian charging schemes is what i wanna see next!
Youre usin the pavement Mr Ped, now ya gotta pay for it, and maybe, just maybe theyd pay more attention to things before they stepped out?
Ya never know.......
My local authority runs a 'Better Driver' course. Some 5 years ago I decided, out of curiousity, to invest my £12 in the six week course. Having held a licence for some 35 years and having completed the Highspeed Driving course and several track based course I didn't expect to learn much, I had even less expectation of an attitude change.
I was wrong, my eyes were opened and my attitude to some speed limits has changed.
It is precisely the attitude stated by Deltaf 'speed limits are for wimps' that causes society to impose blanket restrictions that leave the intelligent driver with no options. There is nothing macho about a heavy right boot, any idiot can do it and we all suffer, what it means is that we all have to suffer unnecessary limits on good roads because of a stupid minority.
I think it safe to assume that most PHers, myself included, like to press on but let me ask a question of those amongst us who have amassed a reasonable number of miles. Are there times when you, driving a high performance car, have slowed down because of road configuration, surroundings or weather conditions and been dangerously overtaken by less aware drivers who are ill equipped by brain power or training to have appreciated why you are showing caution? I bet many of us recognise that senario. Those are precisely the sort of drivers who might benefit most from training.
Me, I still got plenty to learn and I'm willing to take advantage of any training, even if you know everything you can still learn how little the others on the course know, thats the real eye opener.
>> Edited by gnomesmith on Monday 30th December 20:58
I was wrong, my eyes were opened and my attitude to some speed limits has changed.
It is precisely the attitude stated by Deltaf 'speed limits are for wimps' that causes society to impose blanket restrictions that leave the intelligent driver with no options. There is nothing macho about a heavy right boot, any idiot can do it and we all suffer, what it means is that we all have to suffer unnecessary limits on good roads because of a stupid minority.
I think it safe to assume that most PHers, myself included, like to press on but let me ask a question of those amongst us who have amassed a reasonable number of miles. Are there times when you, driving a high performance car, have slowed down because of road configuration, surroundings or weather conditions and been dangerously overtaken by less aware drivers who are ill equipped by brain power or training to have appreciated why you are showing caution? I bet many of us recognise that senario. Those are precisely the sort of drivers who might benefit most from training.
Me, I still got plenty to learn and I'm willing to take advantage of any training, even if you know everything you can still learn how little the others on the course know, thats the real eye opener.
>> Edited by gnomesmith on Monday 30th December 20:58
The answer is a big YES.
I was out driving yesterday in all that rain, in front was a mondeo td, it was clear to overtake him so i did.
A little further on, numpty behind me, then decides that he should re-overtake me and 5 others into the face of oncoming traffic, which he proceeds to do and nearly has a nice head on.
Clearly he had no real idea of what he was doing as the manouvre wasnt planned and he had no place to go, except to cut up one of those in front.
And they say speed kills....Stupidity does!
My attitudes towards speed are quite simple; i drive at a speed i consider to be safe, that i can stop in safely, that i can see to be clear.
Its a judgement call, its known as intelligent driving, not just sticking to fixed "limits", but using my skills to drive in a safer manner.
That dosent imply that i drive slowly, i bloody dont, and in all the time ive been driving at these speeds, just how many crashes have i "initiated" or caused or been involved in?..NONE!
I was the recipient of a stoved in rear end a few years ago thanx to a no brainer, but i wasnt moving!
Basically we all learn something, whenever we go out in a car or drive a new section of road.
I advocate driving at speeds that are SAFE,and not at speeds that others SAY are safe just cuz some roadsign has 30 written on it.
Respect to you all the same.
I was out driving yesterday in all that rain, in front was a mondeo td, it was clear to overtake him so i did.
A little further on, numpty behind me, then decides that he should re-overtake me and 5 others into the face of oncoming traffic, which he proceeds to do and nearly has a nice head on.
Clearly he had no real idea of what he was doing as the manouvre wasnt planned and he had no place to go, except to cut up one of those in front.
And they say speed kills....Stupidity does!
My attitudes towards speed are quite simple; i drive at a speed i consider to be safe, that i can stop in safely, that i can see to be clear.
Its a judgement call, its known as intelligent driving, not just sticking to fixed "limits", but using my skills to drive in a safer manner.
That dosent imply that i drive slowly, i bloody dont, and in all the time ive been driving at these speeds, just how many crashes have i "initiated" or caused or been involved in?..NONE!
I was the recipient of a stoved in rear end a few years ago thanx to a no brainer, but i wasnt moving!
Basically we all learn something, whenever we go out in a car or drive a new section of road.
I advocate driving at speeds that are SAFE,and not at speeds that others SAY are safe just cuz some roadsign has 30 written on it.
Respect to you all the same.
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