Oversensitive police persons
Discussion
Just recently there have been many reports, and threads all about police officers being "offended" by the middle finger gesture, the "F" word (oh god no... 
), and other such things that most "normal" people would just shrug off.
I almost joined the police about 5 years ago - cancelled my application form after I saw a scamera van on a bridge clocking off motorists as I could not morally put myself in a situation where I knew it was just wrong. The thing that bothered me is it was 10 miles down the road from a MAJOR well known about accident blackspot - but the road was not as straight there so it would not have picked off as many...
Anyway, I would have thought that you would be requested to accept and tolorate a certain level of abuse from at the very least hardened criminals. The last thing we want is police offiers taking months off with stress because Mr Tea Leaf called the copper a "slag" or whatever.
Surely the police officers in question should recieve further training in how to deal with swear words etc?
Just a question not a pop at anyone - I know that whenever any posts anything that is construed as even slightly anti police, everyone pops up with "stop picking on our BiB" and such (oversensitivity by proxy?
) - therein ends my little disclaimer...
), and other such things that most "normal" people would just shrug off. I almost joined the police about 5 years ago - cancelled my application form after I saw a scamera van on a bridge clocking off motorists as I could not morally put myself in a situation where I knew it was just wrong. The thing that bothered me is it was 10 miles down the road from a MAJOR well known about accident blackspot - but the road was not as straight there so it would not have picked off as many...
Anyway, I would have thought that you would be requested to accept and tolorate a certain level of abuse from at the very least hardened criminals. The last thing we want is police offiers taking months off with stress because Mr Tea Leaf called the copper a "slag"
or whatever. Surely the police officers in question should recieve further training in how to deal with swear words etc?
Just a question not a pop at anyone - I know that whenever any posts anything that is construed as even slightly anti police, everyone pops up with "stop picking on our BiB" and such (oversensitivity by proxy?
) - therein ends my little disclaimer...lightstepper said:
Anyway, I would have thought that you would be requested to accept and tolorate a certain level of abuse from at the very least hardened criminals. The last thing we want is police offiers taking months off with stress because Mr Tea Leaf called the copper a "slag"
Surely the police officers in question should recieve further training in how to deal with swear words etc?
Precisely the reason I'm not a policeman, I could fancy the job but if people spoke to me like they do my brother (a BiB) they'd be picking their teeth up as I put them into the police van
markmullen said:
Anyway, I would have thought that you would be requested to accept and tolorate a certain level of abuse from at the very least hardened criminals. The last thing we want is police offiers taking months off with stress because Mr Tea Leaf called the copper a "slag"
Surely the police officers in question should recieve further training in how to deal with swear words etc?
Precisely the reason I'm not a policeman, I could fancy the job but if people spoke to me like they do my brother (a BiB) they'd be picking their teeth up as I put them into the police van
Quite simply they shouldn't be expected to put up with it.
Dixon of Dock Green would have just given you a slap & that would be the end of it.
That sort of behaviour can't be condoned by the Police, so they should use the legislation provided to deal with inappropriate behaviour (& it be expected that they do that)
catso said:
You didn't join the Police because you saw a scamera van on a bridge?!!!!! You are joking? I've never even seen a Met scamera van, let alone had anything to do with one, or anything to do with speed limit enforcment! What a shame you gave up the chance of a life where you see and do things which most people couldn't, or wouldn't, be able to deal with. I can't even comprehend ever doing a 9-5 rat-race job, it would suck the life out of me........
I understand what your saying about the 'everyday life' language of people. However, if i were to tell YOU to "
off" i'd end up with a complaint. Yet i'm just expected to let other people tell ME to " off"? The fact is that language like that ISN'T acceptable, even in 2006. And believe me, i'm one the most foul-mouthed ers you could ever meet!!!
The simple fact is that language like that is used against Police because those using it know their chances of being 'done' are slim, certainly judging by the types of people joining the job in recent years, who wouldn't spot a criminal if one slapped them in the face! There's a time and a place for bad language, and in front of Plod is just asking for trouble. It's most often used to me by people who, when i then arrest them, start telling me all about what their gonna do if they see me again etc, even though i'm standing right in front of them. Trust me, i've seen and done alot in my career so far, but i'm still personally offended when people swear at me. I very quickly inform them "You're
nicked!" Sorry for the light-hearted response, i'm on rest days and the old stress levels have dropped right down.....
Fair play HW - Agree with you (
christ I must be drunked )
BUT in all fairness you joined the job knowing that its not a popularity contest, and to be honest dont you think your credibility as a copper would go down if you went "crying to mummy" for every time everyone called you a ?
christ I must be drunked ) BUT in all fairness you joined the job knowing that its not a popularity contest, and to be honest dont you think your credibility as a copper would go down if you went "crying to mummy" for every time everyone called you a
?Its not just about being sworn at. Its the culture of disrespect right across the board. It matters not if its a police officer, teacher, nurse, doctor in A & E or your grandparents in the street. It is not necessary, it makes other people who do not have to deal with that kind of behaviour fearful of being in that environment because the language is very often followed up by physical actions and sometimes assaults.
Police officers and other public sector workers are taught to accept that they will have disgruntled and upset people to deal with, some of whom are justifiably angry at the system or even individual circumstances. They are also taught to deal with the situations in a proportionate way.
Police have the ability to deal with those people who's behaviour is not acceptable. They therefore reserve the right to do so. By doing that it might make the same disprespectful individual think twice about conduct which they know is not acceptable when they decide to use it when in other situations such as the A & E department, the doctors surgery or the school reception area.
Being told to F off or that I am a C**t does not wrankle with me as I have been called it many times before. I don't really care. What I do care is that if I let those that do so get away with it and there are other impressionable people watching, those impressionable people will think that that behaviour is acceptable because it is not punished.
It is not just about respect for the law and law enforcement, it is about respect for everyone. Abusive behaviour is not accpetable across the board.
Say what you like in a private environment to your friends. Be rude, disrespectful or abusive to me or my staff in public or in private (unless in a dwelling)and you will find yourself awarded with at least an £80 reminder or at worst an offer of an all day breakfast
This afternoon I was in court. The chappie who decided to have a pop at me outside a theme bar because I told him to leave the area as his antics were not being appreciated has now seen the error of his ways. Next time he wants to have a skinful and show his mates how brave he is about 'his rights', he had better build in £500 to the price of his Friday night shinnanigans. £100 fine and £380 costs!
>> Edited by mg6b on Friday 10th March 23:57
Police officers and other public sector workers are taught to accept that they will have disgruntled and upset people to deal with, some of whom are justifiably angry at the system or even individual circumstances. They are also taught to deal with the situations in a proportionate way.
Police have the ability to deal with those people who's behaviour is not acceptable. They therefore reserve the right to do so. By doing that it might make the same disprespectful individual think twice about conduct which they know is not acceptable when they decide to use it when in other situations such as the A & E department, the doctors surgery or the school reception area.
Being told to F off or that I am a C**t does not wrankle with me as I have been called it many times before. I don't really care. What I do care is that if I let those that do so get away with it and there are other impressionable people watching, those impressionable people will think that that behaviour is acceptable because it is not punished.
It is not just about respect for the law and law enforcement, it is about respect for everyone. Abusive behaviour is not accpetable across the board.
Say what you like in a private environment to your friends. Be rude, disrespectful or abusive to me or my staff in public or in private (unless in a dwelling)and you will find yourself awarded with at least an £80 reminder or at worst an offer of an all day breakfast
This afternoon I was in court. The chappie who decided to have a pop at me outside a theme bar because I told him to leave the area as his antics were not being appreciated has now seen the error of his ways. Next time he wants to have a skinful and show his mates how brave he is about 'his rights', he had better build in £500 to the price of his Friday night shinnanigans. £100 fine and £380 costs!
>> Edited by mg6b on Friday 10th March 23:57
Quinny said:
Next time he wants to have a skinful and show his mates how brave he is about 'his rights', he had better build in £500 to the price of his Friday night shinnanigans. £100 fine and £380 costs!
£25 per week, not too much of a dent in his wages
mg6b said:
Its not just about being sworn at. Its the culture of disrespect right across the board.
..... and other stuff
So true.
Something that always amazes me is the foul language that is a rote with football. We live adjacent to a public park with 2 footie pitches and I'll guarantee any BiB turning up there on a Saturday afternoon could scoop the jackpot in FPN's - 80-100 speccies and 22 players ALL swearing at the top of their voices for 90 minutes and well within earshot of the kiddies play area.
Nearly 10 grand for an afternoons work - so, who's interested in some bonus brownie points from the boss.
BB
What I don't understand is how the BiB when filming some reality show like Coppers, get slagged off in horrendous terms by drunken chavscum and their sluts, and do nothing (because the camera's there) and then some pansy woofter in blue gets all coy if someone says "effin" (note not F***ing) when off-camera!
I do not support any of this namby pamby policing, if you're rude to a BiB then you deserve a slapping, (as you'd get if you were rude to me) The occasional expletive can slip out, if it's offensive, apologise and that's it.... but all this overly sensitive bullshit is making the police a laughing stock....
All thanks to the overly PC thought police in some dingy office in Shitehall methinks!!!
Just to illustrate: some ignorant english cow driving her piggywaggon rammed the back of my S4 in Edinburgh and left the scene. I called the BiB who arrived very quickly by which time this wimmin had reappeared... needless to say I was fuming as she'd rammed my brand new (week before) bumper that had just been replaced/resprayed beacuse of the previous eejit who'd rammed me. I was angry and I used a few expletives while explaining the accident. The young polite BiB said "would you moderate your language please", I did and apologised, no problems as he understood that I was annoyed.... problem solved...
>> Edited by JMGS4 on Saturday 11th March 09:34
I do not support any of this namby pamby policing, if you're rude to a BiB then you deserve a slapping, (as you'd get if you were rude to me) The occasional expletive can slip out, if it's offensive, apologise and that's it.... but all this overly sensitive bullshit is making the police a laughing stock....
All thanks to the overly PC thought police in some dingy office in Shitehall methinks!!!
Just to illustrate: some ignorant english cow driving her piggywaggon rammed the back of my S4 in Edinburgh and left the scene. I called the BiB who arrived very quickly by which time this wimmin had reappeared... needless to say I was fuming as she'd rammed my brand new (week before) bumper that had just been replaced/resprayed beacuse of the previous eejit who'd rammed me. I was angry and I used a few expletives while explaining the accident. The young polite BiB said "would you moderate your language please", I did and apologised, no problems as he understood that I was annoyed.... problem solved...
>> Edited by JMGS4 on Saturday 11th March 09:34
mg6b said:
Its not just about being sworn at. Its the culture of disrespect right across the board. It matters not if its a police officer, teacher, nurse, doctor in A & E or your grandparents in the street. It is not necessary, it makes other people who do not have to deal with that kind of behaviour fearful of being in that environment because the language is very often followed up by physical actions and sometimes assaults.
Police officers and other public sector workers are taught to accept that they will have disgruntled and upset people to deal with, some of whom are justifiably angry at the system or even individual circumstances. They are also taught to deal with the situations in a proportionate way.
Police have the ability to deal with those people who's behaviour is not acceptable. They therefore reserve the right to do so. By doing that it might make the same disprespectful individual think twice about conduct which they know is not acceptable when they decide to use it when in other situations such as the A & E department, the doctors surgery or the school reception area.
Being told to F off or that I am a C**t does not wrankle with me as I have been called it many times before. I don't really care. What I do care is that if I let those that do so get away with it and there are other impressionable people watching, those impressionable people will think that that behaviour is acceptable because it is not punished.
It is not just about respect for the law and law enforcement, it is about respect for everyone. Abusive behaviour is not accpetable across the board.
Say what you like in a private environment to your friends. Be rude, disrespectful or abusive to me or my staff in public or in private (unless in a dwelling)and you will find yourself awarded with at least an £80 reminder or at worst an offer of an all day breakfast
This afternoon I was in court. The chappie who decided to have a pop at me outside a theme bar because I told him to leave the area as his antics were not being appreciated has now seen the error of his ways. Next time he wants to have a skinful and show his mates how brave he is about 'his rights', he had better build in £500 to the price of his Friday night shinnanigans. £100 fine and £380 costs!
>> Edited by mg6b on Friday 10th March 23:57
lightstepper said:
... I saw a scamera van on a bridge clocking off motorists as I could not morally put myself in a situation where I knew it was just wrong. The thing that bothered me is it was 10 miles down the road from a MAJOR well known about accident blackspot - but the road was not as straight there so it would not have picked off as many...
This just about sums up the mentality behind the whole matter of "speed enforcement" and is a classic example of why most people who can think for themselves come to the conclusion that it's for revenue only. People carrying out such work deserve all the bad feeling they get. I wonder if their children are proud of them.
Hollywood Wheels said:
You didn't join the Police because you saw a scamera van on a bridge?!!!!! You are joking? I've never even seen a Met scamera van, let alone had anything to do with one, or anything to do with speed limit enforcment! What a shame you gave up the chance of a life where you see and do things which most people couldn't, or wouldn't, be able to deal with. I can't even comprehend ever doing a 9-5 rat-race job, it would suck the life out of me........
Missed this one earlier - It was this and a combination of things. I dont have a 9-5 job and in fact I am now making a very nice easy living out out IT, something I enjoy and I pretty much work when I want.
Admittedly I have always been curious about joining - I know I would pass the physical entry requirements and the recruitment people said I should not have any problem with the intelligence part of it (I can write my first name all by myself now
KIDDING!!) but its all to do with the moral side of it. Scamera vans are aphilliated with the police whether you like it or not. I do not want to been seen to be part of that kind of thing until the government get off their fat arses and decided to put REAL police in charge instead of just putting roadside tax collectors in.
lightstepper said:
I know I would pass the physical entry requirements and the recruitment people said I should not have any problem with the intelligence part of it
You mean you can walk ten feet without running out of breath, and can add two plus two?!!
Fair play mate, if you enjoy what you're doing then stick with it, this life isn't for everyone......
HW
lightstepper said:Well if you're purple, have six toes, practise an obscure religion that includes an element of non-standard physical coupling, emerged from a broken home and have absolutely no f
I know I would pass the physical entry requirements and the recruitment people said I should not have any problem with the intelligence part of it
g clue about the real world cos you believe in political correctness and have never held down a real job in your life - you're in mate. However if you're white, male, middle class, always pot the pink rather than the brown and have no minority religious background or heritage and (worse) have a sane grip on life that suggests Brunstrom's balls are potty - sorry, stress balls - forget it. All those places have gone to coppers who've been posting on PH for more than a few days.mg6b said:
Next time he wants to have a skinful and show his mates how brave he is about 'his rights', he had better build in £500 to the price of his Friday night shinnanigans. £100 fine and £380 costs!
OK, I don't know quite how bad this situation was, but there are other ways of handling these things.
I, and my friends, were on the receiving end of some totally un-necessary just plain rudeness from Police officers on many occasions, either on nights out, or when driving and stopped by Bib.
The thing is, that now we've 'grown up', we remember how those Police officers treated us, and I can tell you that it doesn't lead to me wanting to be a supporter of the Police, or to go out of my way to help them.
deva link said:Agreed. This coming week is Gold Cup week here in tractor toting territory. I live barely a horse trot from Prestbury Park, and there are diversions of various kinds on various days to cope with the traffic. Driving home of an evening can be like a magical mystery tour, they find roads I didn't know existed. Last year, while waiting at a junction for a wave of the BiB hand, I had the temerity to ask if the diversion allowed access to X road. "Piss off, and now" was the helpful reply. Why thank you officer, most helpful.
Next time he wants to have a skinful and show his mates how brave he is about 'his rights', he had better build in £500 to the price of his Friday night shinnanigans. £100 fine and £380 costs!
OK, I don't know quite how bad this situation was, but there are other ways of handling these things.
I, and my friends, were on the receiving end of some totally un-necessary just plain rudeness from Police officers on many occasions, either on nights out, or when driving and stopped by Bib.
The thing is, that now we've 'grown up', we remember how those Police officers treated us, and I can tell you that it doesn't lead to me wanting to be a supporter of the Police, or to go out of my way to help them.
In town when the local team played a big league outfit, an area of the town centre was cordoned off. Not a good idea to ask mister inspector why, more foul mouthed ploddery made it clear I should about turn and quick march.
WPC, with the appearance of an anorexic sixth-former on growth hormones, is being abused, sexually humiliated and from time to time threatened by two brave chavs. Passing Joe Public and me offer our assistance if required. We were told impolitely to move on, she was handling it. No, madam, you were not, you were making a laughing stock of the uniform you were wearing by your bewilderment and inability to deal with the situation. I hope you were OK in the end.
When some of my sons were the subject of physical attacks the police weren't interested.
Then again the 'thought police' do have time to telephone people who appear on the radio asking legitimate questions about uphill gardening and the adoption of young grass cutters.
As a result of all this, not an isolated incident but a catalogue of substandard behaviour that will be familiar to many, there are for sure some urgent questions regarding police recruitment, training and discipline that need to be asked most urgently.
deva link said:
OK, I don't know quite how bad this situation was,
I don't think I saw you there
deva link said:
but there are other ways of handling these things.
Like he could have left when politely asked to do so
Instead he decided to practice his knowledge of his rights to impress his mates culminating with him punching me in the chest when I moved him on!
I dropped the assault police charge for a guilty section 4 plea!
deva link said:
I, and my friends, were on the receiving end of some totally un-necessary just plain rudeness from Police officers on many occasions, either on nights out, or when driving and stopped by Bib.
When it happens complain through the proper channels if it irks you so much!
deva link said:
The thing is, that now we've 'grown up', we remember how those Police officers treated us,
I have never seen any happy drunk on an evening out have any trouble from any police officer. The 'clever drunks' are a different matter. Can you honestly say that you weren't guilty of some sort of 'clever behaviour' to warrant such retort from bib?
Maybe you have now grown up and you honestly examine your past youthful exhuberances, could you say that you would put up with behaviour that was not acceptable to you now?
deva link said:
I can tell you that it doesn't lead to me wanting to be a supporter of the Police, or to go out of my way to help them.
Thats a real shame! I bet you would expect them to help you though when the need arises?
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