New brakes all round...

[barrad]

Oh dear. Took the car in for it's A service and new set of tyres and MOT (it's a '99 111s). Then got a call from the garage to say that the rear discs are corroded and it wouldn't pass the MOT if they weren't changed. Oh and the pads are gone as well. And in fact your fronts are on the way out. So infact you need to change all 4 discs and all 4 pads. It's only done 18k, last service was C (do they change pads then, can't remember off the top of my head) and I don't drive her that hard. Anyway, decided to go with garage's advice, but now having that sinking feeling of have I been done Certainly puts the price up just a tad..

Ok, initial shock over, breathing again, colour returning, sick feeling passing, just hope they do like for like and fit cross drilled.

[bogie]

I guess 18K miles off a set of disks isnt too bad if youd done a few trackdays etc..maybe they arent fully worn, but are so old/rusty they need replacing...and yes if you do discs then you need pads too

C service is just a B service + cambelt so they dont automatically get done etc

[barrad]

Cheers Bogie, that makes me feel better :-), always nice to check with someone else. Reckon the corrosion is as much of the issue as the wear.

Oh well, with new tyres and brakes she should be running pretty well once they all bed in. Pick her up on Friday so will take her for a Surrey Spin

[S Works]

If you've still got time, I'd highly recommend specifying an upgraded pad to the OEM ones. I had Mintex 1144's put on a few weeks ago and they are brilliant compared to the OEM and Greenstuff one's I've had on previously.

[piooly]

Funnsy you say that Sworks. I actually think the OEM pads on my S160 were better than the Mintex ones.... (A bit more feel, more progressive) I cant be sure the old pads were the OEMS ones, but I think they are as there was no other mods to the car when I bought it.....

Having said that though, the OEM cost a stack compared with the Mintex.....

Andy Walsh reckoned that on the road the pagid ones are no good as you cant get the heat into them, not sure if thats true as all exiges come with them I think, but for the extra cost I dont think they are worth it.

[Davey S2]

piooly said:

Andy Walsh reckoned that on the road the pagid ones are no good as you cant get the heat into them, not sure if thats true as all exiges come with them I think, but for the extra cost I dont think they are worth it.

My Exige came with Brembo pads as standard which were good but at 6,500 miles they completely disintegrated at Donnington.

Have Pagid 42's on now and the difference was noticeable immediately.

Pagid 14's are better suited to the track but 42's are very good on both road and track

[bogie]

Walshy would have been talking about RS14s - these need some heat in them from cold

RS42s are the best road pad that you can also use on track without fade..also much better in the wet.
SBS are a close second and about £140 a set instead of £200

Personally I use RS42s - its not worth scrimping on brakes and tyres on a car like the Elise IMO.

[gooby]

At Last service I was told I would have to replace disks all round on the next service. I am clenching already and I have 8500 miles to go!

[cuzza]

Davey S2 said:

My Exige came with Brembo pads as standard which were good but at 6,500 miles they completely disintegrated at Donnington.

I'm sure that "technically" there has to be some pad material left in order for you to say they disintegrated

AFIAK Brembo is OE - I wouldn't bother with drilled disks, the holes just encourage cracks.

[S Works]

Oly, Re: OEM. You may be right, but when I had them on the other S1 they were getting old so probably the reason they were crappy.

Bogie, Re: Pagids, yep, very good indeed, top of the class basically. Well done for pointing out the different types available. In mine though and with the amount of tracking I'll probably do, the Mintex 1144's were recommended by Plans as the better alternative for everyday use. I totally understand why with the pimpmo' you want only the best stoppers around.

gooby said:

At Last service I was told I would have to replace disks all round on the next service. I am clenching already and I have 8500 miles to go!

Do them seperately then mate to spread the cost. Get the fronts done in 4k and the rears at service time. Not something you really need to spend dealer ££'s on to get them done either.

[GTRene]

cuzza said:

AFIAK Brembo is OE - I wouldn't bother with drilled disks, the holes just encourage cracks.

yep, drilled disks encourage cracks better only carved/grooved?
GTRene

[gooby]

I was going to try the aluminium bellied monsters with the hope that the initial cost would pay back because I would only have to replace rotors in the future. They are also lighter!

www.eliseparts.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=374

[GTRene]

your right, they also look so good and for what I understand they are fine stoppers too? and less wear?


Our own beautifully crafted disc and bell. ONLY available via Elise Parts these lightweight aluminium bell, curved vane grooved discs are a direct replacement for the Elise S2 standard or crossdrilled OE discs (no modifications necessary).

Benefits include:-

Lower un-sprung weight (Ours are the lightest available).
Less brake fade.
Better heat dispersion so no boiled fluid.
Quicker braking times.
Superb looks.
The outer disc is the only part to wear over time, these are cheap to replace as the Aluminium centre bell is always retained.
We recommend ( and sell ) MINTEX or PAGID brake pads for use with our discs.

FITS ELISE S2,111R & S2 EXIGE

GTRene

>> Edited by GTRene on Tuesday 14th March 10:43

[bogie]

dont muck around - you want these

www.eliseparts.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=114&products_id=589

they are the danglies...combined with Pagid RS42s - great on the road and track...and outlast std discs by many times...had them on for about 5K miles now

[cuzza]

GTRene said:

cuzza said: AFIAK Brembo is OE - I wouldn't bother with drilled disks, the holes just encourage cracks. yep, drilled disks encourage cracks better only carved/grooved? GTRene

Nah - plain is best for more contact area between pad and disk. Don't really understand what the grooves do apart from make noise.

Gooby - surprised you've done a set of rears in the same time as a set of fronts.

[bogie]

grooves clean the surface of the pad...useful when the car as been sat for a few days etc and theyve rusted up ...pimples fill up with dust, and holes can crack...shouldnt really need holes if the venting to the disc is sufficient

all the high end AP/Brembo stuff is just grooved....

[Davey S2]

cuzza said:

Davey S2 said: My Exige came with Brembo pads as standard which were good but at 6,500 miles they completely disintegrated at Donnington. I'm sure that "technically" there has to be some pad material left in order for you to say they disintegrated

Fair point mate. I tend to check them more regularly now

[tuscan_thunder]

bogie said:

grooves clean the surface of the pad...useful when the car as been sat for a few days etc and theyve rusted up ...pimples fill up with dust, and holes can crack...shouldnt really need holes if the venting to the disc is sufficient all the high end AP/Brembo stuff is just grooved....

correct. Grooves also prevent the face of the disc hazing with heat and help to fend off green fade. Drilled discs don't add anything that grooves can't do and, if used to their full extent (with regard to high temperatures) encourage cracking.

[piooly]

bogie said:

Walshy would have been talking about RS14s - these need some heat in them from cold RS42s are the best road pad that you can also use on track without fade..also much better in the wet. SBS are a close second and about £140 a set instead of £200 Personally I use RS42s - its not worth scrimping on brakes and tyres on a car like the Elise IMO.

You have got nearly 300 bhp to tame though.... I so want that engine !

[GTRene]

Bogie your right again...hm..these are even better and more racy...but also more expensive but very very nice

GTRene