RE: TVRCC Challenge season starts now
RE: TVRCC Challenge season starts now
Wednesday 15th March 2006

TVRCC Challenge season starts now

Exciting 2006 includes a race meeting at Spa


The next TVRCC Challenge season starts in just two weeks. It looks like an exciting season ahead -- including a meeting at Spa. Here's a preview from ace Tuscan racer and PistonHeads devotee Graham Walden.

The mighty Thorpedo
The mighty Thorpedo
2006 is possibly the most exciting time in TVRCC racing since the Tasmin Challenge first started in 2000. The all-Tasmin series reached grids of 20 cars, before the decision was taken to open the TVRCC Challenge to all types of TVR in 2004.

2005 proved to be a watershed with the demise of the factory GT teams and the Tuscan Challenge facing an uncertain future. The series suffered: we had plenty of different cars and drivers but struggled to get them all out together with delayed builds, accidents, and engine problems conspiring to keep the grids low. Yet despite the low grids, people commented on some fantastic racing in both the Tuscans and the TVRCC Challenge.

At the end of 2005, the TVRCC Challenge were offered an extra race at Snetterton. This proved to be an excellent opportunity to mix the TVRCC Challenge and the Tuscan challenge, although a few eyebrows were raised at the thought of mixing cars with a large performance difference on one of the fastest tracks in the UK. They needn’t have worried, there was a difference in speeds but there were no dramas and everyone enjoyed themselves.

The 2006 season

With the successful race at Snetterton behind us, John Reid of Readman Racing then set about arranging with the organising clubs, the MSA and potential series sponsors to find a home for the Tuscans and the TVRCC Challenge cup cars. Working with the BRSCC, John has come up with a good mix of UK circuits and the jewel in the crown: a weekend's racing at Spa-Francorchamps in June.

For some TVR enthusiasts that could prove the start of a month-long European tour. The Monster Track Day at Spa on the Wednesday 31 May, the TVRs racing at the weekend, followed by the Zolder track day and then finishing off with the 24 Heures du Mans -- no doubt with the Ring in between.

The series is supported by four main sponsors, Dunlop Tyres, Royal Purple Oils, Jays race wear and the TVRCC. Along with this sponsorship, John Reid has also arranged for the series to be covered on Men and Motors on Sky TV.

Dates and cars

The season will consist of ten race weekends, with both the Tuscans and the TVRCC Challenge all on track at the same time. This should produce some exciting battles all around the track, with all cars competing for Class and overall honours. The cars you can expect to see on the track are:

  • 280i Tasmins
  • Turbo Tasmins
  • S3
  • Vixen’s
  • Griff 500
  • Chimaera
  • 1960s Tuscan
  • RV8 Tuscan Challenge cars and other modified ex-Challenge cars
  • The Mighty Thorpedo (see pic)

There'll even be full-on AJP Tuscan challenge cars and some Sagarises.

With a very simple set of regulations and all cars eligible to compete for the TVRCC Challenge cup, this should grow into the place to see new and old TVRs racing. With the current low prices of early TVR Chimaeras and Griffs, it would be wonderful to see more of these cars racing as well -- and there is a rumour that a Cerbera may come out to play too.

Meetings

  • Oulton Park - 1/4/2006
  • Silverstone - 15/4/2006
  • Castle Combe - 1/5/2006
  • Pembrey - 13/5/2006
  • Spa Francorchamps - 4/6/2006
  • Snetterton - 24/6/2006
  • Rockingham - 8-9/7/2006
  • Mallory Park - 20/8/2006
  • Brands Hatch - 2/9/2006
  • Oulton Park - 7/10/2006

Classes

For 2006 there are three classes to encompass all suitably prepared TVRs The regulations are very simple with the only stipulations being that all cars must be prepared to MSA standards and that Dunlop tyres are used.

  • Class A: Normally aspirated over five litres and over 350bhp, and forced induction over 350bhp
  • Class B: Normally aspirated between three and five litres, and forced induction under 350bhp
  • Class C: Normally aspirated under 3litres

To make it easy to spot the different classes on the track, they will carry different coloured number backgrounds.

  • Class A - white
  • Class B - yellow
  • Class C - blue

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Discussion

tork@tiv

Original Poster:

66 posts

263 months

Wednesday 15th March 2006
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If TV coverage is on Men & Motors, will it be available on Freeview?

dinkel

27,627 posts

282 months

Wednesday 15th March 2006
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Spa Francorchamps - 4/6/2006: I'll be there with the cam So invite me to the pits if you want pics

Graham

16,378 posts

308 months

Wednesday 15th March 2006
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dinkel said:
Spa Francorchamps - 4/6/2006: I'll be there with the cam So invite me to the pits if you want pics


No problems, make sure you drop by and say Hi, we may even find you a beer or a JOB

griff2be

5,105 posts

291 months

Wednesday 15th March 2006
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Ok - I'm confused, and given I'm racing in the blessed thing, you'd think I'd know better.

The series is called the Dunlop Tuscan Challenge. A single set of regs, with three classes as described above.

Where does the TVRCC Challenge Cup come in, except that the cars which used to run in the TVRCCC now compete in the Dunlop Tuscan Challenge along with the Tuscan Challenge spec cars?

I may be reading this wrong, but Graham's words above suggest that there are two series running within the same race - the Tuscan Challenge and the TVRCC Cup. I didn't think that was the case. I understood that there is simply one series now, with all cars competing against each other, with points awarded in classes and an overall winner determined by the highest points tally irrespective of class.

I suppose I am slightly confused by the heavy bias towards the ex TVRCC cars in the article, when I thought that series no longer exists?

Are we not simply one big happy family now?

Regards

Andy

georgec

165 posts

308 months

Wednesday 15th March 2006
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Hi Andy,

I think you need to be a TVRCC member to be eligable for the TVRCC Challenge Cup. The series overall is a free for all although I'd be surprised if a Tuscan Racer did not win.

Having said that it may all have changed!


Regards

George

wedgeman

1,326 posts

267 months

Wednesday 15th March 2006
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Hi George - when will this top secret super-tweaked 24v 2.9 Cossie-powered S Series be sitting on the front of the grid then?

Well - in front of me anyway...


georgec

165 posts

308 months

Wednesday 15th March 2006
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Hi Howard,

With luck we should have glued the S3 back together by race one. Unfortunately I can't be there so race two at Silverstone is the plan for me.
Going to be difficult driving and taking pictures


Regards

George



griff2be

5,105 posts

291 months

Wednesday 15th March 2006
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georgec said:
Hi Andy,

I think you need to be a TVRCC member to be eligable for the TVRCC Challenge Cup. The series overall is a free for all although I'd be surprised if a Tuscan Racer did not win.

Having said that it may all have changed!


Regards

George


Ah - as clear as mud then. So all the details Graham has given are for the series overall - but the driver with the most points who also happens to be a member of the TVRCC gets the TVRCC cup. Which is different from the Tuscan Challenge trophy.

Despite being a TVRCC member (and therefore apparently eligible for this additional silverware) I have to say I think that is a unneccessary complication. What is the point? Surely one series, three classes is enough?

I'm not convinced a Tuscan will win overall - since the Tuscans are by definition the most closely matched cars. I suspect the overall winner will attend and finish all races. Bob Ross won ovearll last year without winning a race and Steve Glynne came third overall despite (understandably, given it was his rookie year) being significantly off the pace. Either that, or someone will produce a car which is massively faster than anything else in its class and walk it (which is actually why I am sad to see the end of Tuscan Challenge racing as it was - since that was primarily about the drivers rather than the cars).

Hope the car is progressing well. Just you be careful - I hear its a bit quicker than that pink convertible you were seen in last year

georgec

165 posts

308 months

Wednesday 15th March 2006
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Andy,

I am going to be VERY disappointed if the car is not a bit quicker. Having said that I am now going to be the weakest link. Originally the TVRCC Challenge was the invitation class in the Tuscan Challenge, the new set up may make it simpler for the spectators if not for us

I was expecting the Tuscan Challenge to be for the Tuscan/Sagaris cars in class A.

I hope your car prep is going ok

Regards

George

Graham

16,378 posts

308 months

Wednesday 15th March 2006
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Your not the only one.... I've seen at least 3 names for the new series.


There is one series.... called the somthing challenge

which is an amalgamation of the two series... and a very simple class structure to encompase all the avilable cars..

The TVRCC Challenge cup will be awarded to the driver and tvrcc member from all the classes with the most points.


so we're in the Tuscan Challenge (or it could be the TVR Challenge) and we're competing for the TVRCC Challenge Cup...



see clear as mud....

G

griff2be

5,105 posts

291 months

Wednesday 15th March 2006
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Well if I am confused, which I am, god help the spectators.

If the series is called the Dunlop Tuscan Challenge then we need to promote it as that - not as the TVRCC Challenge. By all means have a cup awarded by the TVRCC - but I think we need to unite under the one banner.

Speaking of which, shall I ask Ted to combine the two existing forums into one new one called 'Dunlop Tuscan Challenge'?

Racing Rod

1,353 posts

291 months

Wednesday 15th March 2006
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griff2be said:
Well if I am confused, which I am, god help the spectators.

If the series is called the Dunlop Tuscan Challenge then we need to promote it as that - not as the TVRCC Challenge. By all means have a cup awarded by the TVRCC - but I think we need to unite under the one banner.

Speaking of which, shall I ask Ted to combine the two existing forums into one new one called 'Dunlop Tuscan Challenge'?



Does this help, taken from the BRSCC site !!!




Alfa Romeo Championship

Autosport Caterham Superlight Challenge

BRSCC T Cars Championship

BRSCC Jedi Challenge

BRSCC LMA Euro Saloons

Club F3

Club Formula Ford

DUNLOP TUSCAN CHALLENGE

Fiat Racing Challenge

Ford Fiesta Championship

Ford Saloon Car Championship

Ford XR Challenge

Formula Palmer Audi Championship

Lodge Sports Porsche 924 Championship

Mighty Minis Championships

Motorsport News Caterham Roadsport Challenge

UK Formula Ford Championship

Volkswagen Racing Cup

VSR & Super Silhouette Championships


trackcar

6,453 posts

250 months

Wednesday 15th March 2006
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Well it'll certainly be a challenge coming to terms with the rules, as well as coming to terms with the speed difference of Tuscan to Wedge

See you all soon

dinkel

27,627 posts

282 months

Wednesday 15th March 2006
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Graham said:
No problems, make sure you drop by and say Hi, we may even find you a beer or a JOB


A job? It's my day off

steve lewis

141 posts

308 months

Wednesday 15th March 2006
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WoW
I didn't realise this was still creating such interest.
Well done to ALL for keeping things going.
Gray W long time no speak etc. ...

Good luck on the season...
Best regs
Steve L

PS Ex 02/04 Champ TurboTaz still for sale!!!
07785 773341

Graham

16,378 posts

308 months

Wednesday 15th March 2006
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Racing Rod said:



Does this help, taken from the BRSCC site !!!




Nope cos if you click on that link it then calls it the TVR Challenge which is what its called on the race time tables


I did ask JR for a definitive answer on what its called before i did the article, but didnt get a reply ( up to his eyes in sorting spa i suspect) Hence refering only to the tvrcc cup.... the bit I know about....

I've also no idea if there is also a separate Tuscan cup or not... There does seem to be a bit of a need to know culture and as racers we obviously dont need to know


It does seem a bit daft calling it the tuscan challenge though when it isnt any more...


Any way all this reminds me i'd better put my entry in tomorrow !!!! what every its called

griff2be

5,105 posts

291 months

Wednesday 15th March 2006
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I was being diplomatic earlier, so perhaps I'll move it on a bit now...

... there is one series and one series only. It is called the Dunlop Tuscan Challenge.

There is no TVR Tuscan Challenge any more. There is no TVRCC Challenge. The new series doesn't have TVR in the name because I suspect there is no permission to use it. I guess John chose to use the name Tuscan because 16 years of the Tuscan Challenge means it is instantly recognisable as a TVR series without using the name. And the most numerous car in the series will still be the Tuscan.

The car club may be awarding its own cup to whomever it chooses, but that has now't to do with the name of the series.

So in conclusion guys, I really think it would help to drop the TVRCC Challenge name, unless referring specifically to the cup itself. It doesn't help the series to give the impression that there are two separate competitions going on.

One name, one series, three classes. See - its easy....

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a Reliant Robin to build before Silverstone


(and you can butt out too, Pork Boy )

ridgeracer

156 posts

280 months

Thursday 16th March 2006
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So how many have we got for Oulton, so far who has registed and has an entry?

chevtrev

785 posts

260 months

Thursday 16th March 2006
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So if there is one series,why are there different race dates for the Tuscans? confused.

Racing Rod

1,353 posts

291 months

Thursday 16th March 2006
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griff2be said:
I was being diplomatic earlier, so perhaps I'll move it on a bit now...

... there is one series and one series only. It is called the Dunlop Tuscan Challenge.


(and you can butt out too, Pork Boy )



That's fighting talk from a shaggy arsed minor Tuscan upstart, must I remind you that prior to seeing the light and getting a pork pie to zap off a few lap records in, I was the Master of all things Tuscan and as a result have a very high opinion of myself

I am now going to disagree with you whippersnapper, the series should be called The TVR Challenge, as this suits both the tuscan drivers and the TVRCC drivers, christ, you're all driving TVR's and will all suffer from a total lack of factory support, so it will at least feel like the old days

I know this is no longer my area of interest, and don't wish to interfere but sometimes an "outsider" can see the wood from the trees, so stop fussing about the name, call it the TVR challenge, because that's what it is, and get out there and enjoy yourselves.

Alright whippersnapper, fire away