TVR jacking up - advice needed
TVR jacking up - advice needed
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kjefram

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29 posts

313 months

Thursday 16th March 2006
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I went to Kwik Fit to get a slow puncture sorted only to be told that they are not allowed to jack up TVR's anymore because the chassis can bend when they do it, so had to go without getting the tyre repaired !!

I thought the TVR chassis was a very rigid construction that wouldn't bend for anything, does anyone have the technical insight to tell me if Kwik Fit is right or wrong ?

Does this mean you risk bending the chassis every time you remove a wheel ???!!

Lensey

2,526 posts

313 months

Thursday 16th March 2006
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Thats got to be crap! Just imagine the force the chassis has to put up with on a daily basis. Just think it Kwik Fit being Jobsworths!

kjefram

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29 posts

313 months

Thursday 16th March 2006
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Exactly what I thought, but you still can't help wondering, they do handle a lot of cars...

And are the forces on the chassis different when you lift one corner 30-40 cm than if you hammer along on a track on all 4 tyres ? I don't know, I'm electrically biased !

coetzeeh

2,890 posts

266 months

Thursday 16th March 2006
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I am unsure about the chassis issue, but I had a slow puncture fixed the other day too, and the local tyre shop jacked both sides (rear) of the car up at the same time.

victormeldrew

8,293 posts

307 months

Thursday 16th March 2006
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Probably jobsworth, but there is no fixed jacking point, which may be an issue. Perhaps one of the dimmer fitters jacked on up using the shell rather than the chassis with the ineviable consequences, and as a result an edict was issued "thou shalt not ...".

I have found that you can dent the chassis tubes with a jack, but I'd be gobsmacked if you could bend one. Unless it was a typically corroded outrigger, but then no one would jack up on an outrigger - would they? [circular reference to start of post][/circular reference]

orgasmicliving!!

5,964 posts

250 months

Thursday 16th March 2006
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You can bend a single tube, sure. But a triangulated chassis with all sorts of reinforcing tubes to withstand and dissipate the forces? It would take a LOT of force to bend that structure. You don't get anywhere near those forces when only a portion of the car's weight is acting on it as the bending force (which is what is happening when you jack up a car). Even an outrigger would easily support it, unless it's corroded very badly as stated earlier.

You can definitely punch a hole through the fibreglass by jacking the car up at the wrong point (a friend has done me this favour in the past!). But you are comnpletely safe jacking up on a chassis girder.

How are you supposed to removed tyres otherwise? Definitely a jobsworth.

NCE 61

2,458 posts

311 months

Thursday 16th March 2006
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Most dealers I have seen jack a Tuscan up use these points:-



Only TVR I know that had problems when being jacked up on a single point was a Cerbra, apparently the window screen can crack.

tail slide

2,169 posts

277 months

Thursday 16th March 2006
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No doubt some Qwik Twits jacked up under the outrigger tubes thinking 'it's ok, it's a chassis!

Buy a cheap scissor jack & do it for them.

kjefram

Original Poster:

29 posts

313 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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Thanks for the advice, think I will take the chance, will put the jack under the chassis and not the body though...!

richb

56,286 posts

314 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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Personally I wouldn't go to Kwik-Fit. I'd remove the wheel on my own drive and take it to my local trusted tyre place in the Volvo.

kjefram

Original Poster:

29 posts

313 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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richb said:
Personally I wouldn't go to Kwik-Fit. I'd remove the wheel on my own drive and take it to my local trusted tyre place in the Volvo.


That is what I am planning to do, don't think I will trust K-F with my pride and joy...

JR

14,332 posts

288 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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kjefram said:
Thanks for the advice, think I will take the chance, will put the jack under the chassis and not the body though...!

The only "chance" is where you put the jack. Make sure it's as close as possible to one of these points. No problem.
NCE 61 said:

scotty1

477 posts

246 months

Friday 10th November 2006
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Anyone,

know if the diagram shown above counts the same for the T350 I was going to jack on the corner pointed out in this diagram but this appears to be where the body meets the tubular frame ??

cheers in advance

targarama

14,785 posts

313 months

Saturday 11th November 2006
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Looks right to me. Yes, on the T350 the body 'rolls over' the chassis a bit more, but they're the right points. I get an axle stand under the main central chassis rails as quickly as possible though to get the weight off the outriggers.

Some say you should only jack on the central rails. Have you tried reaching them with the car lowered to the ground?!

Neil P

924 posts

245 months

Saturday 11th November 2006
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I've always jacked mine up where it bolts the body to the chassis with no problems. these cars have a much superior tubular chassis to most run of the mill production cars, they will not destort or bend and break because of a jack. stick to the area on the diagram above and all will be ok.

Have any of you seen these cars after a heafty crash. The chassis do bend then, but the car is still intact. They are built better and stronger than alot, your safer in on of these than a standard car. Even with a shell of GRP. This information came from talking to Option 1.
www.option1sportscars.co.uk

scotty1

477 posts

246 months

Saturday 11th November 2006
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thanks for the replies

I jacked at the second join on the tubular frame back from the front left wheel with no problems, I think I was being a little over cautious

cheers again

GreenV8S

31,019 posts

314 months

Saturday 11th November 2006
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My advice is to never jack or support on the outriggers, only jack on the square section main tubes. And use a piece of wood to protect that from the jack otherwise you'll chip the paint and dent the metal leading to corrosion problems in future.

icraigmy

1,653 posts

253 months

Sunday 12th November 2006
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You can't get any shitter than a quick fit fitter.

I stopped taking my cars to quick fit years ago after they damaged the alloy wheels on my MR2 ranting.
To take my Tiv there - absolutely no way nono

methodwares

583 posts

274 months

Sunday 12th November 2006
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Jacked mine yesterday (cerbera). I drove the rear onto some spare paving flags i had, starting at one, one to to, eventually 3 which allowed me enough space to get the jack with a good 2ft 2x4 piece of wood across the main frame rails in front of the diff. once up i put jack stands under the rear rails going to the out riggers (where the pics says) as close to the main rails). After this, I used the same technique for the front. no issues what so ever.

targarama

14,785 posts

313 months

Sunday 12th November 2006
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GreenV8S said:
My advice is to never jack or support on the outriggers, only jack on the square section main tubes. And use a piece of wood to protect that from the jack otherwise you'll chip the paint and dent the metal leading to corrosion problems in future.


The problem is reaching those central rails with a jack. The front is too low and the rear is too far away to reach (unless you fancy jacking the fuel tank on the T350). Normal 'low' trolley jacks won't reach, only the ultra expensivo ones might.