Engine out for clutch?
Engine out for clutch?
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Matty Boy

Original Poster:

87 posts

285 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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Hi guys,

Can I just pivot the engine forward to sort out a whole new clutch, my garage hasn't got the height. Ideally I'd like to just rock it forward and get to the gearbox, unnel etc.

What do you reckon?

Cheers,

Matt

chassis 33

6,194 posts

311 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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NFC. Sorry.

Regards
Iain

l33

3,469 posts

253 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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I have always been told NFC also. HOWEVER, the guy that recently fitted my new engine thought that he would be able to get at the clutch by loosening everything off and moving the engine forward in the engine bay. I don't know if anyone has managed to do this mind...

chassis 33

6,194 posts

311 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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by the time you've done enough to move the engine forward to give you enough room to change a clutch, you're only 10mins away from lifting the engine out and doing a proper job of it, without the effing an blinding of trying to line up the clutch blind and scraping knuckles on everything.

(The Bible says...)You can do it by dropping the gearbox, but that involved cutting a chassis cross member and welding it back in later, however you can only get to half of the tube to weld so it's a reall bodge job.

Regards
Iain

wedg1e

27,035 posts

294 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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Wasn't it Rev-erend who found that if you got the engine far enough forward you could unbolt the bellhousing and that gave you enough room to do the clutch and/or extract the gearbox...?
I wouldn't fanny about, I'd just get a crane and pull the motor...

JR

14,332 posts

287 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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chassis 33 said:
NFC. Sorry.

Been done on what was my car. Sorry.

>> Edited by JR on Friday 17th March 13:45

rev-erend

21,619 posts

313 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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I've done it both ways (ooo err..) if you remove the water pump you can move the engine a long way forward with the wiring still attached but as has been said here it's not much more effort to remove the engine and be able to have a good chassis clean up and paint while you are there.

If you are hiring the crane - it pretty much takes a day to remove the engine and a day to put it back in.

Some of the exhaust bolts are not a lot of fun to do.

blaineuk

2,615 posts

276 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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removed my engine& box last weekend a lot easier than expected, and easier to refit clutch and sort oil leak on gearbox that caused the clutch to go.

Boosted Ls1

21,200 posts

289 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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If I had to do this to my car I'd mod the chassis crossmember and probably weld some plates in that area so that it became a bolt on crossmember enabling gearbox removal. Removing an engine to change a clutch is a big design flaw.

Boosted.

blaineuk

2,615 posts

276 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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you don't get design flaw's on a tvr.

Boosted Ls1

21,200 posts

289 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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blaineuk said:
you don't get design flaw's on a tvr.


No they're just flaws they forgot the design bit, some of the time.

Boosted

rev-erend

21,619 posts

313 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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Boosted Ls1 said:
If I had to do this to my car I'd mod the chassis crossmember and probably weld some plates in that area so that it became a bolt on crossmember enabling gearbox removal. Removing an engine to change a clutch is a big design flaw.

Boosted.


Very true.. but if you are doing the job at home and don't have a pit - it would be very difficult to do this one.. but it was a design ommision.

adam quantrill

11,679 posts

271 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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I changed a g/b recently and only pulled the engine out by about 10". I think it would be similar for clutch.

Things you don't have to disconnect/reconnect:

engine wiring
heater hoses


also you don't have to remember which way to put the engine back in. More importantly, it's in the correct place and at the right angle for swift reinsertion.

If you're doing the clutch don't forget to get a clutch alignment tool (aka the end off a broomstick...)

Matty Boy

Original Poster:

87 posts

285 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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Thanks guys........you're all legends! To be honest, the garage is a bit too low to swing the engine out so the 'pivot method' will be used.

I'll let you know how I got on.......or maybe didn't depending on how much of a bitch it turns out to be!

Thanks again!

Boosted Ls1

21,200 posts

289 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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rev-erend said:
Boosted Ls1 said:
If I had to do this to my car I'd mod the chassis crossmember and probably weld some plates in that area so that it became a bolt on crossmember enabling gearbox removal. Removing an engine to change a clutch is a big design flaw.

Boosted.


Very true.. but if you are doing the job at home and don't have a pit - it would be very difficult to do this one.. but it was a design ommision.


I agree. It's the sort of thing I'd modify of get modded if I was planning to keep the car long term. I'm sure a big improvement could be made in this dept.

Boosted.

wedg1e

27,035 posts

294 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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To be fair it's probably no more of a design cockup than many other single-minded sports cars. I would bet that a cambelt/chain change on a V12 Ferrari or Lambo would be a riot, to say nothing of Diablo clutches that last weeks...

In an ideal world, for example, cars would have cassette gearboxes like racing motorbikes (quick ratio changes to suit the track)... but they don't.

Right, can't chat: must get back to this Lotus engine that I have spread all over the driveway.... garage... kitchen... hallway... (can you tell me Julie's away? )