Has anybody built a Fisher Menace?
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Hi, first post in the kit car section.
Have been thinking about a mid-engined kitcar and although the Retoga and Lynx are the top choice.
This is mainly for trackdays and maybe to start racing.
I know, probably the best is to buy any used racecar for this, but really like the dynamics of a mid-engined car.
Having grown with a Lotus Exige (top car and not getting rid of), but just wanted something cheaper to... ahem, risk and race.
Fishers have had good results in the RGB series in the past (don't know if recently) and the Menace seems to be an excellent choice in bang per buck. It seems it was developing well with its forward-mid engine, but the RGB ruled out this layout last year and I haven't heard about it anymore.
Has anybody seen, heard or built one of these?
Is there any other option without getting to the expense of a Retoga or Lynx?
http://menace.fishersportscars.co.uk/
>> Edited by uldis on Friday 17th March 22:40
Have been thinking about a mid-engined kitcar and although the Retoga and Lynx are the top choice.
This is mainly for trackdays and maybe to start racing.
I know, probably the best is to buy any used racecar for this, but really like the dynamics of a mid-engined car.
Having grown with a Lotus Exige (top car and not getting rid of), but just wanted something cheaper to... ahem, risk and race.
Fishers have had good results in the RGB series in the past (don't know if recently) and the Menace seems to be an excellent choice in bang per buck. It seems it was developing well with its forward-mid engine, but the RGB ruled out this layout last year and I haven't heard about it anymore.
Has anybody seen, heard or built one of these?
Is there any other option without getting to the expense of a Retoga or Lynx?
http://menace.fishersportscars.co.uk/
>> Edited by uldis on Friday 17th March 22:40
I haven't seen much of the Menace other than a quick look at Stoneleigh last year, but how about these?
Aeon
Marlin 5exi
Sylva R1ot
I think there are a few more out there, this is just off the top of my head.
I know Sylva will have the Riot SE demonstrator at Totalkitcar Live next week, so it may be worth seeing if the others are going if it's not too far to travel.
Martin.
Aeon
Marlin 5exi
Sylva R1ot
I think there are a few more out there, this is just off the top of my head.
I know Sylva will have the Riot SE demonstrator at Totalkitcar Live next week, so it may be worth seeing if the others are going if it's not too far to travel.
Martin.
Don't like the Aeon nor the Marlin, but I do like the R1ot.
The problem with it is that I have no idea how well it would do in a series like the RGB, how well is the suspension designed.
I would like the car's chassis/suspension design to be sound so I could race.
Does anybody know if somebody has raced a R1ot?
The problem with it is that I have no idea how well it would do in a series like the RGB, how well is the suspension designed.
I would like the car's chassis/suspension design to be sound so I could race.
Does anybody know if somebody has raced a R1ot?
I used to have a Fury Fireblade, and to be honest i wouldnt bother with a Menace. Dont think the Racer (Alisair Massarella's) ever got developed as well as it deserved to be. Dont think they sold many and i was offered the demo car at a cheap price. The Fury is so good at what it does I think there was never a market for the Menace, especially as they look similar at a glance.
After being in a Radical SR4, if i ever wanted mid engined big-bike power, I think a westfield XTR2 or similar ground-effect car is a better choice.
After being in a Radical SR4, if i ever wanted mid engined big-bike power, I think a westfield XTR2 or similar ground-effect car is a better choice.
The Riot was designed by Jeremy Philips, the man behind the Fury, the Phoenix, the Stylus and the Striker although all have had further ongoing development by the companies now making them.
I only know one person who's finished building a Riot.
If you're thinking of entering RGB series, I'd go with the advice to buy a car that's already been raced.
Martin.
I only know one person who's finished building a Riot.
If you're thinking of entering RGB series, I'd go with the advice to buy a car that's already been raced.
Martin.
Thanks, and good advice, starting racing should be done with an ex-racer.
The thing is that mentioned the RGB because I would like to enter a few of those race, but have no chance of following the whole championship as I live far away in northern Scotland.
Realistically I would enter more races in KH and Croft in some of the classes that allow for bike engined kitcars.
I would like to make the car road legal because of all the nice roads we have up here, and would like to build it, I think the build is part of the attractive of a kit car.
The T5 surely looks nice, but it seems to be only a single seater. Although it may not really be an issue, even road legal (who comes with me on runs?)
The other thing to look at is the fact that it looks tiny, those guys on the picture in their site don't look very tall and they barely fit! I'm 6'2" and 16st. (and no, not much fat to lose)
The thing is that mentioned the RGB because I would like to enter a few of those race, but have no chance of following the whole championship as I live far away in northern Scotland.
Realistically I would enter more races in KH and Croft in some of the classes that allow for bike engined kitcars.
I would like to make the car road legal because of all the nice roads we have up here, and would like to build it, I think the build is part of the attractive of a kit car.
The T5 surely looks nice, but it seems to be only a single seater. Although it may not really be an issue, even road legal (who comes with me on runs?)
The other thing to look at is the fact that it looks tiny, those guys on the picture in their site don't look very tall and they barely fit! I'm 6'2" and 16st. (and no, not much fat to lose)
Gorrdon (T5 racer) was at my house yesterday, I can assure you he is about 6'2" and 15 stone! He fits fine and his car HAS passed SVA, though not registered yet. Passenger cockpit is a bit small, but how much of that is down to him utilising the layout i'm not sure. He was giving passenger rides round brands so it does take 2 people with harnesses. Cost wise he said that a dry-sumped ZX12 version like his cost £12.5 in parts, and that includes quaife chain drive, dry sump, digidash ect. Damn sight cheaper than a few out there.......
Hmmm, sounding more and more like the way to go then.
How does the T5 compare in outright pace with, say the Radical SR4?
Also, one peculiar thing about the Menace was the use of a shaft instead of chain. Their thinking was that the confined area around the chain doesn't allow for much cooling and therefore it has a tendency to wear out soon due to the high temps. That was sorted by the (short) shaft, but it meant the engine was run longitudinally, not transversally.
If there any thruth to this hot chain theory?
How does the T5 compare in outright pace with, say the Radical SR4?
Also, one peculiar thing about the Menace was the use of a shaft instead of chain. Their thinking was that the confined area around the chain doesn't allow for much cooling and therefore it has a tendency to wear out soon due to the high temps. That was sorted by the (short) shaft, but it meant the engine was run longitudinally, not transversally.
If there any thruth to this hot chain theory?
Could another option be a GTR by Spire Sports Cars? - www.spiresportscars.co.uk
I'm thinking of building one of these this comming winter; have a megabusa at present
I'm thinking of building one of these this comming winter; have a megabusa at present
Just a thought, if you are serious about racing in the RGB and similar series consider buying a used class C 'blade car first. You could buy a good spec used Furyblade for about 8k, which will mix it in the middle order no problem if you are handy at the wheel. 12k will get you a front runner. Class C is packed, which will give you lots of varied opposition. Lots of the drivers are novices so there is always somebody similar to you as your experience improves and you move up the grid. Then you could probobly sell it on for a similar price to what you paid.
*BTW a friend has an ex-RGB class C Westfield Mega-Blade for sale a £5K! you wont win with it but it'll be a cheap way into motorsport. E-mail me if you want info.
Class A RGB has smallish grids historically, and without being rude, there are some VERY good drivers in A who most people could not beat without a distinct car advantage. Andy Charlsey springs to mind ex-FF champion, he's GOOD! I know its not always about winning, but, i know if I raced him in an identical car it would be the equivalent of being battered round the face with a wet-kipper every fortnight!
>> Edited by Furyblade_Lee on Monday 20th March 22:09
*BTW a friend has an ex-RGB class C Westfield Mega-Blade for sale a £5K! you wont win with it but it'll be a cheap way into motorsport. E-mail me if you want info.
Class A RGB has smallish grids historically, and without being rude, there are some VERY good drivers in A who most people could not beat without a distinct car advantage. Andy Charlsey springs to mind ex-FF champion, he's GOOD! I know its not always about winning, but, i know if I raced him in an identical car it would be the equivalent of being battered round the face with a wet-kipper every fortnight!
>> Edited by Furyblade_Lee on Monday 20th March 22:09
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