Would you replace your C5 / C6 engine with and Old iron SBC?
Would you replace your C5 / C6 engine with and Old iron SBC?
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jellison

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12,803 posts

298 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?p=2&f=&t=252912&h=0

I am just about to be booted out of PH and really don't care anymore.

LuS1fer

43,115 posts

266 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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Interesting thread. I can't help thinking you both made good points and felt at the end that you were both arguing about different arguments. Still, very entertaining. Don't take it all so seriously (even though I do all the time).

jellison

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Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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I can't help it - but WOULD YOU????????? I know the Z06 is now gone but imagine replacing it with a 40 year old designed iron block SBC!

Boosted Ls1

21,200 posts

281 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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Jon, it's not about technology all the time. It's also about cost so the older iron lump fits the bill even if it's a bit of an anchor. Personally I wouldn't fit an iron lump when an alloy option is superior but if I was on a budget and wanted simplicity I'd fit an rv8 and stick on a turbo. The chevy iron block is viable as is a Buick.

Take a chill pill matey.

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jellison

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Boosted Ls1 said:
Jon, it's not about technology all the time. It's also about cost so the older iron lump fits the bill even if it's a bit of an anchor. Personally I wouldn't fit an iron lump when an alloy option is superior but if I was on a budget and wanted simplicity I'd fit an rv8 and stick on a turbo. The chevy iron block is viable as is a Buick.

Take a chill pill matey.

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NO. I can find an LS1 with a t56 on ebay and get it shipped and have you (or someone as good with these lumps) cam it for less than the price of a Goodewrench anchor - IT IS NOT COST. An then sell the t56 or even try to use that and make it even cheaper!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boosted Ls1

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Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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jellison said:
Boosted Ls1 said:
Jon, it's not about technology all the time. It's also about cost so the older iron lump fits the bill even if it's a bit of an anchor. Personally I wouldn't fit an iron lump when an alloy option is superior but if I was on a budget and wanted simplicity I'd fit an rv8 and stick on a turbo. The chevy iron block is viable as is a Buick.

Take a chill pill matey.

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NO. I can find an LS1 with a t56 on ebay and get it shipped and have you (or someone as good with these lumps) cam it for less than the price of a Goodewrench anchor - IT IS NOT COST. An then sell the t56 or even try to use that and make it even cheaper!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes but does it really matter? If somebody wants any old iron, let em have it. Some people want a simple life so the goodwrench crate engine may fit the bill for them. We want a bit more so we'll have the latest offerrings, with garnish Put it this way, your club will always be a bit more exclusive especially if you develop it.

To answer your question, nobody would fit an iron block into a c5/c6 because that would be a backward step and the car's computorised to work with the engine and all the other electrical functions.

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jellison

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Boosted Ls1 said:
jellison said:
Boosted Ls1 said:
Jon, it's not about technology all the time. It's also about cost so the older iron lump fits the bill even if it's a bit of an anchor. Personally I wouldn't fit an iron lump when an alloy option is superior but if I was on a budget and wanted simplicity I'd fit an rv8 and stick on a turbo. The chevy iron block is viable as is a Buick.

Take a chill pill matey.

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NO. I can find an LS1 with a t56 on ebay and get it shipped and have you (or someone as good with these lumps) cam it for less than the price of a Goodewrench anchor - IT IS NOT COST. An then sell the t56 or even try to use that and make it even cheaper!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes but does it really matter? If somebody wants any old iron, let em have it. Some people want a simple life so the goodwrench crate engine may fit the bill for them. We want a bit more so we'll have the latest offerrings, with garnish Put it this way, your club will always be a bit more exclusive especially if you develop it.

To answer your question, nobody would fit an iron block into a c5/c6 because that would be a backward step and the car's computorised to work with the engine and all the other electrical functions.

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>> Edited by Boosted Ls1 on Wednesday 22 March 10:50
True I just want to MAKE people realise this - christ they have been raving about the SP6 is so great even with its flaws and now prepared to embrace stone age technology when they can have the latest GM can offer - this is what TVR are looking at - I KNOW....!

Boosted Ls1

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Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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jellison said:
Boosted Ls1 said:
jellison said:
Boosted Ls1 said:
Jon, it's not about technology all the time. It's also about cost so the older iron lump fits the bill even if it's a bit of an anchor. Personally I wouldn't fit an iron lump when an alloy option is superior but if I was on a budget and wanted simplicity I'd fit an rv8 and stick on a turbo. The chevy iron block is viable as is a Buick.

Take a chill pill matey.

Boosted.
NO. I can find an LS1 with a t56 on ebay and get it shipped and have you (or someone as good with these lumps) cam it for less than the price of a Goodewrench anchor - IT IS NOT COST. An then sell the t56 or even try to use that and make it even cheaper!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes but does it really matter? If somebody wants any old iron, let em have it. Some people want a simple life so the goodwrench crate engine may fit the bill for them. We want a bit more so we'll have the latest offerrings, with garnish Put it this way, your club will always be a bit more exclusive especially if you develop it.

To answer your question, nobody would fit an iron block into a c5/c6 because that would be a backward step and the car's computorised to work with the engine and all the other electrical functions.

Boosted.

>> Edited by Boosted Ls1 on Wednesday 22 March 10:50
True I just want to MAKE people realise this - christ they have been raving about the SP6 is so great even with its flaws and now prepared to embrace stone age technology when they can have the latest GM can offer - this is what TVR are looking at - I KNOW....!


I've got some pics for you, send me your addy

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LuS1fer

43,115 posts

266 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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It still doesn't matter though.

I had a right slagging on an NSX thread for little more than chucking in a few practical pointers in favour of a Corvette as I personally get tired of people saying the NSX is "the only usable supercar" when it's not particularly practical and not particularly a supercar. In fact, I know one bloke who's selling one for that practicality reasons and another who's driven his off the road (ironic after a set-to about grip vs entertaining handling). However, it's never been my aim in life to convert people to Corvettes or demand that they buy one, I just like to raise awareness so people can consider them and arrive at their considered conclusion after considering everything. From some of the people who've bought Corvettes, the softly softly objective approach works better as they arrive t their own conclusion under their own steam. Telling people something is the best simply makes them dig in their heels. However, for a while I was so wound up by a savage personal attack for nothing that I didn't go on the thread for about a week until I'd calmed down a bit.

One reason I tend to avoid the Holden/HSV Forum is that they have such immensely strong beliefs in the cars that any suggestion of an alternative is like running into a Catholic church and asking if they've ever considered Shinto.

Gixer

4,463 posts

269 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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Jon I think you are missing the point a bit. It might be an old heavy block but it is also a well proven, bullet proof block that sound a lot less work to fit than what you have done. Now I know what you have done and have follwed progress from the start and it has been a lot of work - for many people the simplest option is more important than saving some kilos in weight.

Many could say I'm throwing money away paying for a 368 LT5. Going a similar route to you and buying a new block and some bolt on goodies may well have been cheaper but then I would have lost the unique sound of an LT5 running full chat and dare I say it 'took a step back to pushrod' Point is that an old iron block may be old but all this 'old technology' talk is bull, the whole concept of any internal combustion engine is old hat technology sure new engines run better, longer, cleaner than years ago but thats down to better machining, electronics and design - due mostly to a technology that has advanced - I.T. The basic principle of any engine is years old.

I'm sure you've seen that new HSBC ad on TV by now, don't you agree?? Wouldn't the world be a sad place if we all worked and saved for the same thing ????

anonymous-user

75 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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It all makes my attempts to push Corvette engines and transaxles for the next Lotus Esprit look very tame!

Fact is, no-one likes to admit the big manufacturers can make good cars and good bits of cars. We know they can and do.

ZR1cliff

17,999 posts

270 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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Nothing like a good healthy debate,it really shakes down all the pros and cons of the subject although its vey easy to get sucked into the serious side of things sometimes...i have been just as guilty your honour on a couple of occasion
My own personal view is at the end of the day this is all a hobby/interest so should it be taken so seriously?,and when it gets personal then the whole debate is wasted

jellison

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298 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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I really like the Honda INSITE Dual Fueller - but you can bet sooner rather than later I'd put an LS in it!

>> Edited by jellison on Wednesday 22 March 13:10

Boosted Ls1

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Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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5 USA said:
It all makes my attempts to push Corvette engines and transaxles for the next Lotus Esprit look very tame!


I've been doing this as well but using a mild ls1 coupled up to the esprit box. I'm sure this will work. Yet another engine bay measured up by me, lol.

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jellison

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Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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to the esprit box - aren't they pants?

chuck_jnr

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238 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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Jollison

Heh Dude

I completely agree with you on this case

Ive a Renault Cleo and no way would I put any iron in it

jellison

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Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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Cheers jnr - get on the other thread!

chuck_jnr

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238 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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Jeez

I would dude however my cleo is no match for his motor vehicle. Im thinking of getting a Saxo then that might just outdo his ride. Should I go for an magnasium monocock chassis or red one?


Boosted Ls1

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281 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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jellison said:
to the esprit box - aren't they pants?


Reputedly so, hence using a 320 hp engine bolted to the stock box and using my shortie pump casting instead of the water pump. Apart from that it should fit with the right pan.

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jellison

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Wednesday 22nd March 2006
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Heard they are 1 weak and other the linkage is aweful vague cable job.