996 Turbo Vs C4S ruunning costs
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Have a look at the 996 reliability issues thread below. There is also a good article in one of the specalist Porsche mags this month on the problems with the 996 engines found in all models except Turbo GT2&3. In my book thats reason enough to go for a turbo over a C4S.
I doubt if there would be much difference in running costs between the two (but if the engine in the C4S let go then £££
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I doubt if there would be much difference in running costs between the two (but if the engine in the C4S let go then £££
.996 turbo running costs in my profile. Normal road use will not require so many brake disc/pad changes though.
I'm told that one notable difference to the comparative costs of 996tt v C4S is the cost of changing the clutch, which on the turbo is an engine out job? (can someone verify?). Insurance will also no doubt be more.
DAZ
I'm told that one notable difference to the comparative costs of 996tt v C4S is the cost of changing the clutch, which on the turbo is an engine out job? (can someone verify?). Insurance will also no doubt be more.
DAZ
Insurance will be more, fuel will be more & oil consumption more.
Clutch is a £2k job to replace, so more than a C4S.
Servicing more, though there is not much difference in the cost of a major service (24k) between a TT & C4S (though on the TT plugs need replacing at 48k mile service which is a £1200 service)
Offset the above against the RMS issue (if the car has no Porsche warranty) It doesn't effect the Turbo & most likely will happen in the C4S (about £600 to put right ??)
I have run both and while the Turbo is amazing and a lot faster, the C4S has a lovely delicacy about it but for me personally I a) Always wanted a Turbo, and b) The C4S for me wasn't quick enough (same power as a C2 but heavier)
R.
Clutch is a £2k job to replace, so more than a C4S.
Servicing more, though there is not much difference in the cost of a major service (24k) between a TT & C4S (though on the TT plugs need replacing at 48k mile service which is a £1200 service)
Offset the above against the RMS issue (if the car has no Porsche warranty) It doesn't effect the Turbo & most likely will happen in the C4S (about £600 to put right ??)
I have run both and while the Turbo is amazing and a lot faster, the C4S has a lovely delicacy about it but for me personally I a) Always wanted a Turbo, and b) The C4S for me wasn't quick enough (same power as a C2 but heavier)
R.
Thanks guys.
It seems from your replies & Dazren's Profile that the only major cost difference is the 48K service costing approx £700 more & the cost of a replcement clutch (do these last about the same as a C4S approx. 50k).
Are there any non service costs ie component failure (gearbox, engine, turbo) that the cost for the Turbo is much higher.
from your use of tyres & breaks I presume Dazren you must enjoy the odd track day, any idea on the life expectancy of these parts without tracking the car ?
Thanks again.
It seems from your replies & Dazren's Profile that the only major cost difference is the 48K service costing approx £700 more & the cost of a replcement clutch (do these last about the same as a C4S approx. 50k).
Are there any non service costs ie component failure (gearbox, engine, turbo) that the cost for the Turbo is much higher.
from your use of tyres & breaks I presume Dazren you must enjoy the odd track day, any idea on the life expectancy of these parts without tracking the car ?
Thanks again.
Lord P said:
from your use of tyres & breaks I presume Dazren you must enjoy the odd track day, any idea on the life expectancy of these parts without tracking the car ?
Nothing in the last few years other than the occasional VMAX airfield day, which would have more of an effect on the front brakes as opposed to the tyres.
From previous discussions with 996tt owners, on a road only car I'd expect the following:
Brake discs and pads: Front 18/20k miles. Rears 36/40k miles.
Tyres: Front 14/16k miles. Rears 8/10k miles.
Clutch: Anything from 5k to 50k miles. Some PHers have done a clutch in 20k miles, mine is still going strong at 27.5k although I don't do traffic light grand prix starts.
DAZ
(PS - Get the turbo)
I considered a C4s but it was just too gutless. Alright(ish) at the top end but you had to thrash it. The turbo does everything far better.
Also, I reckon it'll hold up a bit better in the long term since rightly or wrongly people are worried about 996 engine reliability. The tt engine is supposed to be unbreakable.
SM
Also, I reckon it'll hold up a bit better in the long term since rightly or wrongly people are worried about 996 engine reliability. The tt engine is supposed to be unbreakable.
SM
The 4S didn't launch until a couple of years after the Turbo - the cheapest Turbos are therefore only about £5k more than the cheapest C4Ss. I would take an older Turbo over a newer C4S - the biggest cost of running these machines is easily depreciation and I don't think anyone will argue with the fact that Turbo values will hold up better (they have already taken a big recent hit and have started to stabilise).
Go for the TT - probably the cheaper option and certainly more fun.
Go for the TT - probably the cheaper option and certainly more fun.
I'll second Damianc4s here. I got my C4S just before Xmas and it has a sports exhaust on it which is just about one of the greatest sounds on earth. However, as it isn't identified in the factory options list under the bonnet lid I asked the OPC to take a look when it went in for service this week and tell me if it's really PSE or some other make. They called me with the work in progress, technician says its genuine PSE but not working properly. Apparently it doesn't cut out at certain speeds and the "off" switch doesn't appear to work, do I want them to investigate it ? Well, thanks to collective knowledge imparted in multiple Pistonhead threads I know exactly is going on here and why on earth would I want to turn it off ? I told them politely to leave it alone, working exactly to my spec. 
Well, thanks to collective knowledge imparted in multiple Pistonhead threads I know exactly is going on here and why on earth would I want to turn it off ? I told them politely to leave it alone, working exactly to my spec. 2002MY onwards saw the only real changes to the Turbo since it was introduced.
Better interior plastics
Glovebox
Auto Rear Dipping Mirror
Rain Sensitive Wipers
BOSE (I think)
Think Sat Nav became standard on MY03 onwards too.
There are no common problems with these cars. Just be sure to keep an eye on the oil level as it drinks the stuff like crazy !
R.
Better interior plastics
Glovebox
Auto Rear Dipping Mirror
Rain Sensitive Wipers
BOSE (I think)
Think Sat Nav became standard on MY03 onwards too.
There are no common problems with these cars. Just be sure to keep an eye on the oil level as it drinks the stuff like crazy !
R.
alxce said:
I'll second Damianc4s here. I got my C4S just before Xmas and it has a sports exhaust on it which is just about one of the greatest sounds on earth. However, as it isn't identified in the factory options list under the bonnet lid I asked the OPC to take a look when it went in for service this week and tell me if it's really PSE or some other make. They called me with the work in progress, technician says its genuine PSE but not working properly. Apparently it doesn't cut out at certain speeds and the "off" switch doesn't appear to work, do I want them to investigate it ?
There's a little 'hack' or should I say 'cut' that can be performed to the relay which deactivates the PSE in a certain speed range. Our European brethren have various rules and regulations regarding decibel limits, typically 98dB, so Porsche decided at slow speeds <40mph to activate the baffles.
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