lotus supercharger on way

[jago]

Apologies if this is old news, but i took car for the 'a' service on saturday and was told that an approved lotus toyota supercharger kit is a few months away, prob costing 6-8k. also, suddenly out of work, but no reason why should be for long. still wondered in worse case scenario, what's the yearly depreciation on 111Rs roughly?

[boggy]

Hiya

What Bhp will it allow ?

Boggy

[jago]

i was told '240+'.

[S Works]

That's a shitload of money for an SC. Will be interested to hear what the kit involves.

[jago]

i thought it was a lot as well - but if it's lotus approved i think my insurance company might be more understanding? and resale value too.

[chris_n]

Hopefully that is an all-inclusive fitted price? Otherwise it is a bit pricey.

[boggy]

Well if it isn't then it's not going to work, they have to compete with the Honda conversion and in my view be cheaper otherwise what's the point in offering it as no none will bother

Come on Lotus get your finger out !

Boggy

[S Works]

At a guess it's going to require a re-work to the 2006 spec throttle, ecu and blower from the S, and an alternative cooling system as clearly the one on the Exige won't fit.

[gooby]

S Works said:

At a guess it's going to require a re-work to the 2006 spec throttle, ecu and blower from the S, and an alternative cooling system as clearly the one on the Exige won't fit.

The throttle in the 240R is manual (non fly-by-wire) so it would be reasonably easy to adapt that unit for inclusion on the older 111R's. My big question is if the kit can go on the 111R and where will the intercooler go?

[boggy]

Yep they'd have to alter this as it would need to draw air from the side pod's, can't see any other way they could get it to work ?

Boggy

[S Works]

gooby said:

S Works said: At a guess it's going to require a re-work to the 2006 spec throttle, ecu and blower from the S, and an alternative cooling system as clearly the one on the Exige won't fit. The throttle in the 240R is manual (non fly-by-wire) so it would be reasonably easy to adapt that unit for inclusion on the older 111R's. My big question is if the kit can go on the 111R and where will the intercooler go?

True enough, but for 6-8k you'd have to think they're going to do some major reworking throughout.

Thinking about it, you're going to need a whole new intercooler system, a revised ECU map, perhaps different gearing?, the blower and ancilliaries, and fitting (where likely as not you'll have to take the clam off and plumb everything in).

Sounds very expensive compared to the MSC supercharger kit for the Honda's - at 4k fitted it makes this sound like a bargain, and you get 300bhp!

[GTRene]

A lot of things with the Lotus badge are a bit on the high price?
When you have already the Toyota engine youre not easely gona swap it for a Honda? also because such swap in the yota bay is more expensive on the moment then in the K-series bay??
If thats the price and everything is fitted and stamped as official Lotus...maybe then its word looking for then you have a origenal lotus item...and the Bemani is also expensive...hm...better buy a high milage S2 2002 as cheap as you can(nice color unharmed) then sell the parts you take out...and put a Honda engie in with SC, job done
GTRene

[aelord]

If true, this is very good news for current owners S2 N/A cars, and will I imagine be a very popular upgrade, saving us from crying into our beers about the Exige S coming out...I would certainly go for the upgrade, especially iif it is 240 BHP.

[Lotusnick S2]

S Works said:

[quote=gooby][quote=S Works]Sounds very expensive compared to the MSC supercharger kit for the Honda's - at 4k fitted it makes this sound like a bargain, and you get 300bhp!

You are not comparing the right things Tim.
The Honda SC kit does not add a intercooler and you have to spend 10K to get the engine conversion.

You should compare it to the Benami kit for the 111r, which is more expensive, not Lotus approved and there is no-one that currently fits it in the UK.
Therefore if the Lotus SC kit is 6K-7K fitted, it will be a decent (compulsory) upgrade for all 111r's

[bher]

jago said:

told that an approved lotus toyota supercharger kit is a few months away, prob costing 6-8k.

I will go back to the church to put some others candles....
One to thank if this is true and one to reduce the price

[GTRene]

Finally I found a video clip of a Lotus Exige with the 265hp SC engine I think its the bemani then?? anyway you can hear the SC takes a while when he finally pull of but its fast
http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc
GTRene

[aelord]

Makes a hash of the first corner!

[S works]

Lotusnick S2 said:

S Works said: [quote=gooby][quote=S Works]Sounds very expensive compared to the MSC supercharger kit for the Honda's - at 4k fitted it makes this sound like a bargain, and you get 300bhp! You are not comparing the right things Tim. The Honda SC kit does not add a intercooler and you have to spend 10K to get the engine conversion. You should compare it to the Benami kit for the 111r, which is more expensive, not Lotus approved and there is no-one that currently fits it in the UK. Therefore if the Lotus SC kit is 6K-7K fitted, it will be a decent (compulsory) upgrade for all 111r's

I agree it's not apples with apples, but £ for £ when you break down the cost of what this package 'might' give you, it's still expensive compared to an MSC equivalent. Don't forget you need to spend 20k+ on your nice 111R before you add the 8k for the SC!

If only Lotus would bring these things out as an 'affordable' option which makes the package REALLY tempting!!!

[GTRene]

I was thinking for you GB people with lots of lotus on sale...
Buy a 2002(short roof) Elise S2 with high milage? or cheap price for lets say 12.000,-
sell the parts engine and box and ecu complete..
Put in the Honda R engine and add a SC together all in around 13.000,-gbp
then you have a very fast lightweight sportscar for around 25.000,-gbp
and when you sold the spare parts ex elise for lets say a cheap 2.000,- you have a very cheap fast supercar for around 23.000,-gbp thats around 34.000,-euro
When I finally sold my car I would take that as a option
GTRene

[S works]

GTRene said:

I was thinking for you GB people with lots of lotus on sale... Buy a 2002(short roof) Elise S2 with high milage? or cheap price for lets say 12.000,- sell the parts engine and box and ecu complete.. Put in the Honda R engine and add a SC together all in around 13.000,-gbp then you have a very fast lightweight sportscar for around 25.000,-gbp and when you sold the spare parts ex elise for lets say a cheap 2.000,- you have a very cheap fast supercar for around 23.000,-gbp thats around 34.000,-euro When I finally sold my car I would take that as a option GTRene

My dear man, you've rumbled me... the plans afoot mate, those short-roof cars are few and far between right now, and nothing for 12k yet. If there was, it would be on my drive.

Also your numbers are a bit off. You need to add:
- Wheels & Tyres £1,500 (ish)
- Revised suspension £1,250 (Nitrons, not much point in scrimping here)
- Uprated discs and pads £1,000 (assume Ali-belled and Pagids)
- Harness bar & Harnesses £4-500

So really, even with your £12k car, your outlay to NA Honda, is going to be in the region of £26k+... but that's pretty good really all things considered!

Anyone want to buy a rather nice Sport 160S?