Should we have the automatic right to vote?
Should we have the automatic right to vote?
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funkihamsta

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1,261 posts

290 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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Well consider it, the human condition means we seem incapable of truly valuing anything we get for nothing. Our ancestors had to fight wars, become suffragettes etc to gain and keep the freedom to vote.

So make the vote something you earn. I don't mean a selective test i.e. intelligence or wealth, just measures to show basic awareness and interest.

This would free politicians from reactionary jingoistic policy making as the only people who care enough to be able to vote would actually know what was going on. People would use their vote because they had to earn it, and it would be a great day for democracy all round.

raceboy

13,839 posts

307 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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Slightly off on a tangent (for a change)
I believe everyone should be forced to use their vote, as my mum always says "If you don't vote you have no right to moan about the outcome"
Maybe use it or lose it

pdv6

16,442 posts

288 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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raceboy said:
use it or lose it


Have to agree - best of both worlds!

gbgaffer

546 posts

297 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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No - Make it compulsory and fine anyone that doesn't, but include a box on the ballot paper that says 'None of the Above'

funkihamsta

Original Poster:

1,261 posts

290 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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If you forced everyone, you would get 100% but you would have to consider the voting power of a largely uncaring and ignorant mass - who would probably vote for any party that had "a monkey in every office" as its main pledge.

incorrigible

13,668 posts

288 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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I'll vote (insert relavant political party here), alway have

That really winds me up, what's the point of having an election if 20% of the people are going to vote the same way regardless of policies

mannginger

10,226 posts

284 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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funkihamsta said: If you forced everyone, you would get 100% but you would have to consider the voting power of a largely uncaring and ignorant mass - who would probably vote for any party that had "a monkey in every office" as its main pledge.


That's New labour isn't it?

CarZee

13,382 posts

294 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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gbgaffer said: No - Make it compulsory and fine anyone that doesn't, but include a box on the ballot paper that says 'None of the Above'
Agreed. And change my name by deed poll to "None of the Above" whereupon I would be appointed president for life and change would be sweeping and rapid (or is that seething and rabid?)

OTOH, once the procreation problem has been addressed, there'll be no problem with the voting system as it is.. it'll take a while for all the necessary changes to come about though..

>> Edited by CarZee (moderator) on Tuesday 7th January 15:46

gbgaffer

546 posts

297 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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funkihamsta said: If you forced everyone, you would get 100% but you would have to consider the voting power of a largely uncaring and ignorant mass - who would probably vote for any party that had "a monkey in every office" as its main pledge.



Err That's called democracy isn't it?

shoggoth1

815 posts

292 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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Anyone read Starship Troopers?

Cheers.

Bodo

12,557 posts

293 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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Why not have dicatorships in every country, and all citizens can choose, where they want to live.

Every government will make laws that will attract certain people to live there.

It'll be a constant long-term competition between the legislators to find the ideal laws; and soon the world will be a better place

Have I missed something apart from the fact some people stick to a certain piece of earth?

Pies

13,116 posts

283 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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incorrigible said: I'll vote (insert relavant political party here), alway have

That really winds me up, what's the point of having an election if 20% of the people are going to vote the same way regardless of policies


Brainwashed perhaps?
I vote every time,i believe everyone should vote,i believe all manifestoes should be free,why should i pay to read the mainfesto of each party (to make a proper informed decision) before voting.If we want a proper democracy we should have the state pay for the printing of manifestoes and i think the state should pay the running costs of each party/candidate.At least this way "sleeze" and "cosy deals with backers" which is entering our politics might reduce

mondeoman

11,430 posts

293 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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shoggoth1 said: Anyone read Starship Troopers?

Cheers.



Heinlein was way ahead of his time........

gbgaffer

546 posts

297 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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mondeoman said:

shoggoth1 said: Anyone read Starship Troopers?

Cheers.



Heinlein was way ahead of his time........




Yes but I'm not joining the army just to get the franchise!

JMGS4

8,905 posts

297 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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Property owners and tax-payers only should have the right to vote and then only when they actually vote (blank voting papers accepted), but BE THERE!
Everyone else, wait in the queue and EARN the right!

Simonelite501

1,440 posts

295 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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If this country is truely a democrascy and we value our right to free speech, (debateable point, depends on what you want the freedom to speak about), then surely I should have the right not to vote. Getting off my arse and going to an old school in the rain has never been my idea of a good evening out, and when the outcome of putting my X against some smiley prick, of what ever colour they represent, will be the same as putting it against one of the the other smiley pricks, it all seems rather pointless, hence the fact that I have never and will never bother. I've survived 37 years without bothering so I have no reason to think that will change in the foreseeable future. Lets face it, the majority of people are just swept along by it all, being on the surface unaffected by what ever colour rosettes are in power, and if thats the way they are happy with it whats the problem? Take my vote away if you want, or better still, I'll offer it for sale to the highest bidder, its a classic at 19 years old and its only got delivery mileage!

chimburt

751 posts

286 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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gbgaffer said:

mondeoman said:

shoggoth1 said: Anyone read Starship Troopers?

Cheers.



Heinlein was way ahead of his time........




Yes but I'm not joining the army just to get the franchise!



satire?

didn't stop me from agreeing with it though!

CarZee

13,382 posts

294 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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gbgaffer said:Yes but I'm not joining the army just to get the franchise!


We're on about voting.. not opening a bloody KFC!

plotloss

67,280 posts

297 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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Someone on here posted about a Neville Shute book where he discusses the concept of a weighted democracy.

Everyone gets one vote, but if you have gone through further education you get another, and if you employ people, and if you have travelled etc. Effectively giving the balance of power to people who have earned it.

If you mated this system with that of compulsary voting then I think we would have an extremely worthwhile and workable solution...

Matt.

Simonelite501

1,440 posts

295 months

Tuesday 7th January 2003
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Matt, what would be the penalty for ignoring the compusory vote?