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m_g_g

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5 posts

240 months

Wednesday 5th April 2006
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Hi

I am just starting on the long road that to choose and build a kit car. So
to start off the stupid questions I will be asking.

How complete are the various complete kits out there, and how do I know what
parts are required off a donor for the other kits

chrisx666

808 posts

285 months

Wednesday 5th April 2006
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Very few kits are (even close to) complete - Caterham and Westfield offer them.

Flossythepig

4,138 posts

267 months

Wednesday 5th April 2006
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GTM have the option as well.

Wacky Racer

40,697 posts

271 months

Wednesday 5th April 2006
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Before you consider ANY kit, make sure you don't mind having your skin ripped off your knuckles the odd time and have a good vocabulary of swear words to hand......

Ex Westfield builder....

Antony Moxey

10,321 posts

243 months

Wednesday 5th April 2006
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I believe the Tiger R6 and B6 kits are complete.

m_g_g

Original Poster:

5 posts

240 months

Thursday 6th April 2006
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Thanks for the input so far.

But if I can be a bit pedantic

There are several manufactures who claim a complete kit but are perhaps not as complete as they initially appear

For example the Tiger B6 Complete - Except the engine (far enough it is explicitly excluded) - but I would presume this means engine and gearbox like the Westfield BECs. But does this go as far as the wiring loom, and are there other areas where extra components would be required.

I just picked tiger as an example but there are others.

Will it just be a case of having selected a kit that I will then have to find out what is missing?

m_g_g

Original Poster:

5 posts

240 months

Thursday 6th April 2006
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Taking the skin of your knuckles is just part of the fun. As is dismantling what you did last week because you need the access to fit something else.

jamesg20

873 posts

281 months

Friday 7th April 2006
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hi there
the ginetta g20 comes as a complete knock down kit, and includes EVERYTHING right down to the keyring!

www.ginettacars.com

Moose.

5,345 posts

265 months

Friday 7th April 2006
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m_g_g said:
For example the Tiger B6 Complete - Except the engine (far enough it is explicitly excluded) - but I would presume this means engine and gearbox like the Westfield BECs. But does this go as far as the wiring loom, and are there other areas where extra components would be required.

As bike engines have the gearboxes pretty much attached to them, I would say that would mean both gearbox and engine.

With any kit it's worth finding out exactly what you get and more importantly what you don't get. There are often doner parts which you'll need from a rusting Ford/Rover etc. A rule of thumb is, the more you pay the more you get in the kit

What are you thinking of building? There's bound to be someone here's who's built/building one.

m_g_g

Original Poster:

5 posts

240 months

Friday 7th April 2006
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Moose. said:
What are you thinking of building? There's bound to be someone here's who's built/building one.


I am looking at seven stile kits, but it is still too early to be any more specific than that.

Furyous

25,361 posts

245 months

Friday 7th April 2006
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Just remember.....

.......double any budget you have been told

.......double at least the amount of hours it SHOULD take

.......to cane the ABSOLUTE arse off it on your first track day to teach it a lesson for being such a bastard to build.




Ex Fury Builder and current Fury Thrasher






>> Edited by Furyous on Friday 7th April 19:47

Antony Moxey

10,321 posts

243 months

Friday 7th April 2006
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m_g_g said:

For example the Tiger B6 Complete - Except the engine (far enough it is explicitly excluded) - but I would presume this means engine and gearbox like the Westfield BECs. But does this go as far as the wiring loom, and are there other areas where extra components would be required.


I genuinely thought the B6 kit contained an engine, sorry about that. The R6 kit, I believe, contains everything needed to pass SVA. However, regarding not quite comprehensive 'comprehensive kits', it might be worth enquiring of the factory what else is required in order to pass SVA - in the case of the B6 (seeing as it's the example you used), it would appear that it is only the enging and box that you need, although Tiger can supply these if you want rather than sourcing them yourself.

RushV8

99 posts

263 months

Monday 10th April 2006
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Most decent "volume" Kit Car producers (GTM, Westfield, Sylva, Fisher, Dax, etc) offer "complete kits" meaning just donor parts to source. Amount of donor parts and amount of different vehicles parts involved vary depending on the kit and type of car / engine combination you opt for. Many of these "bigger" Kit Car Companies will help you source donor parts (either just second hand, or as refurbished parts). Even if they don't companies like Kit Fit will offer parts sourcing and refurbishment services (at a cost premium of course). I wouldn't let it put you off, if you want n individual / high performance for reasonable cost car, you've to put up with a bit of extra effort and research.... or ask mebers of ther respective owners club where they source bits.

Hope you find the right Kit / Parts package for you - and have plenty of sticking plasters / bandage and antisceptic on standby : you will skin a knuckle , trap fingers between the arms of pliers / rivet guns, etc etc - all part of the fun / pain / fun cycle of events which is kit car ownership !

Shaun_E

748 posts

284 months

Monday 10th April 2006
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Caterham provide everything (apart from the bits they forget to pack!) including engine and gearbox. All parts are brand new and it should take 50-70 hours to put together. Much of the awkward stuff is already done such as wiring and plumbing of fuel lines etc. If you are after a challenge then this isn't it, but it does mean that it's pretty difficult to get it wrong and that is why Caterhams tend to have a very consistent build quality.
You can buy Caterhams as a starter kit where you supply engine, gearbox, etc. but the majority are bought as complete kits.