4200 Cambiocorsa
Discussion
Hi! newbie on this particular forum but a PH veteran!
Looking at chopping in my special edition '02 Jag XKR100 for a 2002-2004 Cambiocorsa.
Is there much variation in the way the gearbox behaves between the early and the later cars.
Ive read a lot of bad press regarding the quality of shifts on the earlier cars but was wondering if softerware updates were available to sort them out.
Is there anything else I should look for?...I know about the 8000 mile clutch issue!
Cheers
>> Edited by aeroresh on Thursday 6th April 13:30
Looking at chopping in my special edition '02 Jag XKR100 for a 2002-2004 Cambiocorsa.
Is there much variation in the way the gearbox behaves between the early and the later cars.
Ive read a lot of bad press regarding the quality of shifts on the earlier cars but was wondering if softerware updates were available to sort them out.
Is there anything else I should look for?...I know about the 8000 mile clutch issue!
Cheers
>> Edited by aeroresh on Thursday 6th April 13:30
There have been a few software updates.
Basically as long as the car has FMSH it should have the lastest software on it. If you're buying from a main dealer, it should be a no brainer.
Always worth checking though - I would figure it's easy for them to plug the laptop in and see what version it's running.
Basically as long as the car has FMSH it should have the lastest software on it. If you're buying from a main dealer, it should be a no brainer.
Always worth checking though - I would figure it's easy for them to plug the laptop in and see what version it's running.
Do get a post 2003 car (the one with the V8 badge on the flanks) as I belive it has a different clutch mechanism.
the shift quality is significantly better in my current 2004 car than in my 2002 !
What 8000 mile clutch issue? I've got 21,000 on mine and it's not even close to half worn yet!
the shift quality is significantly better in my current 2004 car than in my 2002 !
What 8000 mile clutch issue? I've got 21,000 on mine and it's not even close to half worn yet!
Sorry don't mean to hijack!
i'm thinking about replacing my 04 996C2 with a 4200 coupe, looking at manual as the stories about the cambiocorsa clutch life worry me!?
was going to pick an 02 model, what is the is difference between an 02 and an 03??
i was under the impression all the main changes where from the 3200 to 4200 and then what?
how much are the services? 6k? 12k? cambelts?
i'm thinking about replacing my 04 996C2 with a 4200 coupe, looking at manual as the stories about the cambiocorsa clutch life worry me!?
was going to pick an 02 model, what is the is difference between an 02 and an 03??
i was under the impression all the main changes where from the 3200 to 4200 and then what?
how much are the services? 6k? 12k? cambelts?
You need to check what the Cambiocorsa software revision is and how recent it is. The later the better generally. Unfortunately certain revisions when flashed prevent future updates - check the software can still be updated. The Gransport software is much better than the 4200 04 model, and the 04 is better than the 03 or 02.
Annual service is £500
Major service is £800
4200 has Chain driven cams so there are no cam belt changes.
The Cambiocorsa clutch issue appears to only apply to the very early models - certainly from 03 onwards you'll get at least 40-50K out of a clutch (more if you do motorway miles)
Having owned an early 02 I can attest to the constant smell of burning clutch whilst reversing or manouvering - however with my 04 model it is completely sorted by the ner clutch design and software.
Major service is £800
4200 has Chain driven cams so there are no cam belt changes.
The Cambiocorsa clutch issue appears to only apply to the very early models - certainly from 03 onwards you'll get at least 40-50K out of a clutch (more if you do motorway miles)
Having owned an early 02 I can attest to the constant smell of burning clutch whilst reversing or manouvering - however with my 04 model it is completely sorted by the ner clutch design and software.
exint2 said:
Do get a post 2003 car (the one with the V8 badge on the flanks) as I belive it has a different clutch mechanism.
the shift quality is significantly better in my current 2004 car than in my 2002 !
What 8000 mile clutch issue? I've got 21,000 on mine and it's not even close to half worn yet!
Spoke to Maranellos about this and they confirmed there are NO mechanical differences between a 02 and say 03/04 car the changes are software only. Exint2 dont know what was wrong with your 02 car but I have never had any burning clutch smell in my 02 car. Your comments 'you will get at least 50K out of a post 03 car clutch' are just silly, look at the post above yours 04 car 17K and the dealer said that was good thats a fair few miles off what you give as a 'at least' figure.You also say that short lived clutches are a problem only affecting early cars, well my original 02 clutch lasted 19K against the 04 car mentioned in the post lasting 17K, explain that? You can't there are too many variables but provided updates are complete age of car is not one of them.
So much disinformation gets bandied around no wonder people get confused
>> Edited by singh on Wednesday 12th April 11:36
I think what we can conclude from this is that its more likely to be down to the software version and driver as to how long the clutch lasts. At least the software can be updated which was kind of the crux of my initial question.
Mine is only going to be used as a second or third car so having to replace the clutch every couple of years isn't really an issue for me, however jerky gearchanges might!
Mine is only going to be used as a second or third car so having to replace the clutch every couple of years isn't really an issue for me, however jerky gearchanges might!
Some very simple rules for the cambi clutch life and these should be a damn sticky !
1. software updates - get the latest
2. Use sport mode - always - not only is it more fun but the gear changes are faster (less slip)
3. Flick into neutral when stationary/coasting to a stop - the car doesn't disenage when stationary properly
4. When accelerating off - don't fanny about ie don't creep along, get a gap and get the car moving ( fun in town where 2" gap is an invite for a bus to pull in!)
5. Don't live on a hill/steep driveway
6. Wait till the car is moving then floor it, don't floor it from stationary 400bhp and a heavy car don't mix well for clutch life.
Thats all.
No more on the subject please
Dave
1. software updates - get the latest
2. Use sport mode - always - not only is it more fun but the gear changes are faster (less slip)
3. Flick into neutral when stationary/coasting to a stop - the car doesn't disenage when stationary properly
4. When accelerating off - don't fanny about ie don't creep along, get a gap and get the car moving ( fun in town where 2" gap is an invite for a bus to pull in!)
5. Don't live on a hill/steep driveway
6. Wait till the car is moving then floor it, don't floor it from stationary 400bhp and a heavy car don't mix well for clutch life.
Thats all.
No more on the subject please
Dave
F355GTS said:
No more on the subject please
Oh go on pleasethe clutch on our '04 Spyder lasted just 8k miles, but then I did let a Woman drive it so I accept it's my fault
Actually I'm going for some new rears this afternoon - 8K as well !
BTW, were you having a bit of high speed fun with a bimmer M3 this week - red maser, v8 plate...
Dave
F355GTS said:
Dave, M3 on the M3?, might have been me, couldn't possibly comment
A silver M3 ragtop on the M3, sure it wasn't you the M3 driver reckons the maser beat the m3 on acceleration but the maser driver bottled out at a rather high speed ((2*nsl) + 10 !!)
If you were witness to these two is that the case?
Dave
2 x NSL*10 I guess the M3 was virtually on the limiter, must be that the speedos were overreading , to be honest I wanted him to go in front to see if he could outdrag the Maser but then there was some traffic so I slowed, it was difficult to see in the mirror, either way it was close, next time I'll bring the 575
, to be honest I wanted him to go in front to see if he could outdrag the Maser but then there was some traffic so I slowed, it was difficult to see in the mirror, either way it was close, next time I'll bring the 575 singh said:
[quote=exint2]quote]
Spoke to Maranellos about this and they confirmed there are NO mechanical differences between a 02 and say 03/04 car the changes are software only. Exint2 dont know what was wrong with your 02 car but I have never had any burning clutch smell in my 02 car. Your comments 'you will get at least 50K out of a post 03 car clutch' are just silly, look at the post above yours 04 car 17K and the dealer said that was good thats a fair few miles off what you give as a 'at least' figure.You also say that short lived clutches are a problem only affecting early cars, well my original 02 clutch lasted 19K against the 04 car mentioned in the post lasting 17K, explain that? You can't there are too many variables but provided updates are complete age of car is not one of them.
So much disinformation gets bandied around no wonder people get confused
>> Edited by singh on Wednesday 12th April 11:36
I only speak as I find!
I am not aware of anyone else who has owned both an early 02 and an 04 car so I have personal experience, not second hand, not from a quote from "Marenello" but actual data from actual cars.
It is important to point out that when I sold my 02 car - in which the clutch / software was not anywhere near as good as the 04 I had done 13000 miles and it was still OK.
I do not live in a town, and indeed do very little stop-start motoring,(Though I do live on a hill) I also am mechanically sympathetic so perhaps my particular driving style / circumstances lead me not to experience the rapid clutch wear that others have.
As regards to there having been no mechanical change a response to a post on MaseratiNet asking what the difference between the 02 and 03 GTs was reads as follows
"The adoption of a two tang clutch refers to the cambiocorsa transmission only. The two tang clutch is more durable.
Now I have no idea if this is fact but I have seen this mentioned several times before.
As regards the dealer quote that 17K "was about right" for an 04 car - what else is he going to say? any other reaction and he is looking at the customer making a warranty claim for a new clutch - that Maserati might dispute = hassle for him ... By saying "that's about right" he gets an easy £2K + for a replacement.
So please before rubbishing anyones views check the details behind them.
>> Edited by exint2 on Friday 14th April 23:16
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