RE: M4 camera effects in doubt
RE: M4 camera effects in doubt
Thursday 13th April 2006

M4 camera effects in doubt

Misleading stats and downright lies


M4 camera protest, May 2005
M4 camera protest, May 2005
Road safety groups have cast doubt over Wiltshire and Swindon Speed Camera Partnership's (SSCP) recent claims to have reduced accidents on the M4 -- and one member of the local camera partnership has admitted publicly that the cameras, installed last year, have had no effect on crashes at all.

The SSCP claims that cameras have cut crashes on the M4 by between 44 per cent and 57 per cent in the year since they were installed. The Association of British Drivers (ABD) said it believes this crash reduction is "a remarkable achievement" given that fewer than 15 per cent of crashes on this stretch of motorway had excess speed as one of their causes, many of these not involving exceeding the speed limit.

"There's something very odd going on here," said the ABD's policy director Mark McArthur-Christie. "We have a speed camera partnership claiming credit for reducing accidents that weren't even caused by speeding. This seems disingenuous at best."

Selective statistics

The ABD said it believes the partnership is being extremely selective in the statistics it chooses to report.

McArthur-Christie said: "The camera partnership is taking credit for falls in deaths -- but the fatality rate from 2005 was identical to that in 1999 and 2000 -- despite the camera partnership only starting motorway operations in 2005." Serious injuries are down - but they are also down across the road network as technological developments like airbags and seatbelt tensioners save lives.

The ABD analysed the crash statistics and concluded that inattention, failure to judge other drivers' speed and changing lanes without looking were the biggest killers on this stretch of road (accounting for 75 per cent of fatal crashes), not speed. "This makes it all the more remarkable that the partnership is now claiming credit for crash rate reductions", said the ABD.

McArthur-Christie said: "We need to be careful not to attribute success to the wrong thing. The presence of cameras may be forcing drivers to pay more attention on this stretch of motorway, but the threat of prosecution and speeding tickets will not improve safety. If there's a genuine reduction in crashes it's because drivers have woken up and are more attentive - not because they're sticking to the limit."

Safe Speed's view

The Safe Speed road safety campaign weighed in with detailed analysis of the claims. According to Safe Speed, the figures do not support the claims:

  1. There's no good reason to expect speed cameras to reduce M4 crashes. Figures obtained by the Association Of British Drivers for M4 crashes revealed that 15 per cent had 'excessive speed' as a contributory factor. Many 'excessive speed' crashes do not involve exceeding a speed limit. So even a 'perfect' change in driver behaviour caused by the cameras should not be expected to reduce crashes by more than 15 per cent.
  2. Selection bias / regression to mean effect. It is a fact that we tend to apply road safety treatments to places where there have recently been high casualty numbers. This leads to a selection bias effect because some of those high casualty numbers will be due to nothing more than random chance. With no treatment applied, abnormally high casualties tend to reduce anyway. This effect is also known as 'regression to the mean' (RTTM), and is very well understood in road safety circles. Recent Department for Transport figures suggest that RTTM accounts for three quarters of the benefit that has previously been claimed for speed cameras.
  3. Too soon to tell. Road crash figures are subject to considerable random variation. It is unprofessional and illegitimate to make claims based on a single year's figures. Examples of random variation appear strongly in the figures released by Wiltshire Camera Partnership. e.g. between 2003 and 2004 personal injury collision reduced by 37 per cent from 261 to 165. There were no cameras on the M4 at the time.
  4. Cherry picking of comparison groups. By choosing favourable years or casualty groups the changes can be exaggerated to show a desired effect. Other figures -- for example M4 casualty figures for Wiltshire in 2000 and 2001 -- are unpublished. Even within the published figures there is ample room to spin the story. For example we could say: between 2001 and 2002 fatal and serious casualties increased from 18 to 31 - an increase of 72 per cent. This is just as valid as some other comparisons that are being made.
  5. System trends. During the period in question we have tended to see national reductions in injury and serious injury collisions. So if the M4 in Wiltshire was typical of UK roads we would have expected to see the numbers come down anyway, irrespective of any local treatment. This has not been allowed for and clearly exaggerates the benefit being assigned to the cameras.
  6. Local conditions. Changes in local conditions have a marked effect on accident rates. For example, large long term motorway road works would be expected to lead to a reduction in casualties.
  7. Alternative routing. Traffic chooses a different route because of the cameras and have their crash elsewhere. And in the case of the M4, the common alternative is M3/A303. Some of the apparent reduction may be due to traffic choosing a different route to stay away from the M4 cameras.

Exaggerated benefits

According to Safe Speed, these issues tend to exaggerate the benefits claimed for M4 speed cameras. "Until these issues are accounted for we will not know if there has been a genuine accident reduction on the M4 or not", said campaign founder Paul Smith.

Smith said: "Analysis and interpretation of road accident statistics requires considerable care and scrupulous honesty because road accidents are rare and exceptional events. It is necessary to separate random effects from real changes. I am absolutely incensed that, once again, a camera partnership is making outrageous and unjustified claims for their cameras based on insufficient data and insufficient analysis. It is in fact an object lesson in 'how to lie with statistics'.

"It may not be immediately obvious, but misleading road safety statistics are actually deadly. They cause life saving resources to be allocated to the wrong safety factor, and we therefore miss the opportunity to save lives.

"These figures do not show that speed cameras have made the M4 a safer place. Instead they show that the Wiltshire camera partnership is unscrupulous when it come to promoting themselves."

'We've had no effect on crashes'

Meanwhile, partnership manager Dave Frampton, speaking on BBC Radio Swindon this morning, admitted that there was no evidence whatsoever to suggest that their camera vans had caused a reduction in crashes on the M4.

Smith said: "This is typical of the cowboy behaviour of camera partnerships. They claim success at every opportunity based on no sound evidence whatsoever. Every lie or exaggeration distorts road safety priorities and risks increasing danger on our roads.

"After nearly 14 years of speed cameras on UK roads, there is precious little evidence of any benefit, despite £800,000,000 in fines issued to around 13 million motorists. Road deaths are NOT falling as expected and we're now the slowest improving country in Europe."

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summit7

Original Poster:

1,280 posts

259 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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So much money, so much upset and yet road deaths are not falling there must be a better way. Summit7

james_j

3,996 posts

285 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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The most incriminating bit is from the horse's mouth (ar$e) so to speak:

"...one member of the local camera partnership has admitted publicly that the cameras, installed last year, have had no effect on crashes at all..."

>> Edited by james_j on Thursday 13th April 11:09

mjdriver

40 posts

261 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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I think a nicely worded email to the Swindon camera partnership from members of this forum is justified asking why there is this misinformation about how effective these cameras are.

byker28i

92,474 posts

247 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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Wilts are masters of the Statistics abuse. When they first justified the cameras they used minor accidents, breakdowns and even a suicide jump from a bridge - none of which were recorded as speed related in the official police reports.

Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. ~Aaron Levenstein

pitcrew

15 posts

256 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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Utter discrace, remove them

Saied

1,575 posts

249 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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byker28i said:
When they first justified the cameras they used breakdowns and even a suicide jump from a bridge

Quite incredible. When will these morons learn there are so many factors involved in road safety? Speed restrictions are only a very small part of the story.

What about tailgating, lane hogging, uninsured vehicles, drivers without licences, drug influenced driving. How many of these menaces do speed cameras detect?

These Safety Camera Partnership people are highly dangerous individuals as they seek to impose measures purely for their own political motives. They have no understanding about road safety whatsoever.

Should be sent to the firing squad.

turbobloke

117,306 posts

290 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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Saied said:
Should be sent to the firing squad
Just helping with the firing line there

As to the spin, well we all know today it's not what you know and understand but how you feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel that matters.

Think of the childwen.

dougc

8,241 posts

295 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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So let me get this right, the Scamera Pratnership issue a press release in which they claim that their actions have reduced deaths on the M4 by 57% at the same time as a senior manager admitting there is no evidence to suggest that they have had any effect at all.

I'm deeply confused. How the hell does utter BS propoganda like this press release get any coverage at all, let alone radio and (no doubt by this evening) TV coverage?

I'm struggling to think of any other situation where this sort of rubbish would be accepted. Make a statement and then completely discredit it almost instantly YOURSELF?

MMC

341 posts

299 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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Well, they're not getting it all their own way. I've not stopped doing ABD radio and TV interviews since 7am today, and I know Paul Smith is doing likewise. Watch out for BBC South Today, ITV Central News and BBC Points West later - we should be on all of those...

More to come, gotta go...

MMC

trax

1,601 posts

262 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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The trouble is, these statistics is what is believed by the authorities that they report back to. I watched the road policing thing on BBC parliament the other day, and the partnerships were claiming 70% reduction in accidents at 'safety' camera sites, and saying they were being succesfull in reducing deaths.

Now seems as deaths have remaind fairly constant over the last five years or so, this seems improbable. If they have a 70% reduction at camera sites, and only put cameras where these deaths occur, why no change in deaths? And how can they say, with a straight face, that they are being succesfull?

vinceh

154 posts

258 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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Why is it that the major news services such as the BBC are so good at picking up and reporting the rubbish claims of the scamera operators, and devote so little time to the analysis of why their claims are inaccurate, misleading and oftern downright lies?

Another contributor is right - its the rubbish claims that get picked up and run with, by the authorities and the mainstraem media. The analysis mainly happens in forums like this and specialist media.

With all due respect to those that are trying to do something about it, and the post press-release interviews they give, there needs to be more pro-active rather than re-active work.

BliarOut

72,863 posts

269 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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MMC said:
Well, they're not getting it all their own way. I've not stopped doing ABD radio and TV interviews since 7am today, and I know Paul Smith is doing likewise. Watch out for BBC South Today, ITV Central News and BBC Points West later - we should be on all of those...

More to come, gotta go...

MMC
Knock 'em dead.

branflakes

2,039 posts

268 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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ITV Central South News is doing a feature on this tonight, and they're asking for viewers comments - please feel free to tell them what you think:

www.itvregions.com/Central/News/Contact/

_VTEC_

2,459 posts

275 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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They should be nailed to the wall for this. Completely unacceptable behaviour.

The Dude

6,546 posts

277 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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MMC said:
Well, they're not getting it all their own way. I've not stopped doing ABD radio and TV interviews since 7am today, and I know Paul Smith is doing likewise. Watch out for BBC South Today, ITV Central News and BBC Points West later - we should be on all of those...

More to come, gotta go...

MMC


Bravo, sirs.

Sgt^Roc

512 posts

279 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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summit7 said:
So much money, so much upset and yet road deaths are not falling there must be a better way. Summit7


Yeah but it will not stop them I'm afriad, why dont they just install SPECS then when the crashes continue we will know it's not speed....eh

sa_20v

4,114 posts

261 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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The Dude said:
Bravo, sirs.


Seconded. This nonsense just has to stop, I'll do whatever it takes until every speed camera in this country is removed and jumped upon by a rabbid bunch of man eating jumping things!

tycho

12,285 posts

303 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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they were on the news this morning using these figures to justify installing them on the M4 between Reading and Slough!

Utter barstewards.

timmartin

4,516 posts

253 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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There have been a few camera vans on the M4... but the gatsos i've seen were all in traffic works where drivers would be driving at reduced speeds anyway, and because of the masses of signage and traffic cones they would (you'd expect ) be more aware of their surroundings anyway.

LOL... Those statistics are pure rubbish - it seems there is no concrete evidence. they wonder then why people are opposed to the cameras being there, but continue to spout rubbish at us all the time.

And being subjected to the propaganda they put out on GWR (which i'm subjected to at work) is just patronising.

>> Edited by timmartin on Thursday 13th April 16:23

Smart Roadster

769 posts

256 months

Thursday 13th April 2006
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Probly being a bit thick here but, do the partnerships claims count as advertising? If so can we all complain to the advertising standards agency and make them retract the claims?