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Vez, is it your sole purpose in life to slag off the activities of the factory/American Speed, or do you have some sort of axe to grind with them.
I notice that you've not said much about YOUR car. So tell us, is it a GTR/Canam/Sport/Spider/Figment of your imagination?
If you can't post useful information then don't bother at all.
If not, well, you'll just get deleted, then barred.
Rant over.
I notice that you've not said much about YOUR car. So tell us, is it a GTR/Canam/Sport/Spider/Figment of your imagination?
If you can't post useful information then don't bother at all.
If not, well, you'll just get deleted, then barred.
Rant over.
TFIVEUK said: Couldn't agree more with above comments, all posts are negative and in one he slags off BUILD QUALITY from factory, but we have no evidence of his own build quality - come on show us your comments are justified.
If this boy thinks Build Quality is an issue then he has no idea what he's talking about. Must be mad let's just Pitty him.......
Not to balance out the above posts but because it is my opinion. I have just taken the time to read through all of Vez's posts, and whilst opinionated (and who's aren't) they do not deserve to be lambasted. Yes the build quality one is a bit strong, and I think wrong, it is still only an opinion.
I too have heard of more than one AS engine going pop, along with a Ford 302, privately built and Real Steel engines. Several people have voiced concerns over the fueling issue and the questions do need to be answered.
Come on guy's, lets keep it friendly and if you do disagree with some one elses view by all means air it, but do so within the thread you read it!
Paul
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I too have heard of more than one AS engine going pop, along with a Ford 302, privately built and Real Steel engines. Several people have voiced concerns over the fueling issue and the questions do need to be answered.
Come on guy's, lets keep it friendly and if you do disagree with some one elses view by all means air it, but do so within the thread you read it!
Paul
:justthewayIseeitandgladitwasnottargetedatme:
I must appologise if my views sound a little upsetting to you.
As stated these are my opinions and I am not here to start war.
I have been to the factory and there production is very good though some eliments of there build, for example, the finish of the join of the interior sil panels could and indeed can be bettered.
I was wondering whether to share my research with yoursleves in future, maybe I wont ask around lots of Ultima owners about there experiences and problems with some serious issues such as fuelling.
I spent two years of my life stuck in an often cold garage during evenings, weekends helping a close friend build a GTR, does this answer your question? And as such from building the said vehicle have learnt that all that comes out of the factory does not smell of roses, and probably know the vehicle a little better than those who have (and no offense) off the shelf items!
Isnt this supposed to be an OPEN FORUM, treating each other like ADULTS, and listening to everyone elses opinions, and valuing them for what they are...OPINIONS.
Or maybe this Forum is ALSO run by the factory like the Owners club now is!
As stated these are my opinions and I am not here to start war.
I have been to the factory and there production is very good though some eliments of there build, for example, the finish of the join of the interior sil panels could and indeed can be bettered.
I was wondering whether to share my research with yoursleves in future, maybe I wont ask around lots of Ultima owners about there experiences and problems with some serious issues such as fuelling.
I spent two years of my life stuck in an often cold garage during evenings, weekends helping a close friend build a GTR, does this answer your question? And as such from building the said vehicle have learnt that all that comes out of the factory does not smell of roses, and probably know the vehicle a little better than those who have (and no offense) off the shelf items!
Isnt this supposed to be an OPEN FORUM, treating each other like ADULTS, and listening to everyone elses opinions, and valuing them for what they are...OPINIONS.
Or maybe this Forum is ALSO run by the factory like the Owners club now is!
Couldn't help but be interested in the opinions about the number of engine problems that have been reported.
I've suffered engine failures in my car,but since it went on an engine dyno last month and survived 12 runs of 27secs against a 3ton water brake, I'm begining to believe it's an installation problem.
My engine is not an Americanspeed it's not even a Chevy, it's a proffessionally built 383cu in Ford.
I've suffered engine failures in my car,but since it went on an engine dyno last month and survived 12 runs of 27secs against a 3ton water brake, I'm begining to believe it's an installation problem.
My engine is not an Americanspeed it's not even a Chevy, it's a proffessionally built 383cu in Ford.
Some of Vez's comments came out a a little harsh a bit of a "know it all" type but he sounds like he knows what he is talking about. He really hit it up across the threads in a short period. Usually posters are a little more elequant with there opinions even if they are strong. More input the better and as long as the majority of the people here stay cool like they have been great.
What features will be unlocked if I join the ultimaclub? I'm in the US and don't have an ultima am I still allowed. I'd like to read the import article a US Ultima guy wrote. I'd really like to see some of the higher speced engines people have been talking about. V12, guy in Denmark with 4 cars, seems like there were some others too.
Mosler is putting in a Hewland in there top of the line street car Stig.
Costs too much and the car doesn't quite have the GTR looks.
What features will be unlocked if I join the ultimaclub? I'm in the US and don't have an ultima am I still allowed. I'd like to read the import article a US Ultima guy wrote. I'd really like to see some of the higher speced engines people have been talking about. V12, guy in Denmark with 4 cars, seems like there were some others too.
Mosler is putting in a Hewland in there top of the line street car Stig.
Costs too much and the car doesn't quite have the GTR looks. Hi Paul, I think i'm narrowing the problem down, the Dyno-man and the engine builder do think it's an installation problem.
The only two elements that we couldn't test on the dyno were the fuel system and the exhausts,however, we did put the exhaust system on a flow bench and it didn't seem restrictive!
I've completley reworked the fuel system again to hopefully improve flow, I don't think the tank pickups are in the best position and the -6 pipe sizes a little on the small side.
The only two elements that we couldn't test on the dyno were the fuel system and the exhausts,however, we did put the exhaust system on a flow bench and it didn't seem restrictive!
I've completley reworked the fuel system again to hopefully improve flow, I don't think the tank pickups are in the best position and the -6 pipe sizes a little on the small side.
As this seems to be a bit of a raw nerve at the moment I thgouhgt I would offer some advice (not just plain slagging off)
I have heards of more than a few engine failures in Ultimas, both Americal Speed and non AS engines.
The usual and noteable failure is a piston failure which ususally relates to a lack of fuel. This can be down to 2 things.
1 - inadequate jetting. The standard holly jets are OK for stockish engines but I would advise to up the jetting a little on the sort of engines we run. (I think AS engines use standard 72 and 80 jets on their carbs)
2 - inadequate fuel
This is where I feel the problem lies. On advise from both my engine builder (ICE automotive Racing) and a former GT racer. The -6 fuel pipe is insufficnetn for the sort of power outputs we require. This is also supported by a search on some Chevy performance websites. Also most high end carb adaptors use -8 pipe.
Also the standrd Ultima spec Fuel pumps are not designed for high flow applications (refer to demon tweeks cat). What is needed is a substantial fuel pump with at least 100 GpH capacity.
I myslef opted for an alterantive installation to the factory. I had my own tanks built with -8 fittings and installed the Holly Blue electric fuel pump. (same as a former race installation)
refer to www.adequatespeed.freeserve.co.uk
Also look at EVO this month Page 29 the fuel pipes to the carb are -8
I have heards of more than a few engine failures in Ultimas, both Americal Speed and non AS engines.
The usual and noteable failure is a piston failure which ususally relates to a lack of fuel. This can be down to 2 things.
1 - inadequate jetting. The standard holly jets are OK for stockish engines but I would advise to up the jetting a little on the sort of engines we run. (I think AS engines use standard 72 and 80 jets on their carbs)
2 - inadequate fuel
This is where I feel the problem lies. On advise from both my engine builder (ICE automotive Racing) and a former GT racer. The -6 fuel pipe is insufficnetn for the sort of power outputs we require. This is also supported by a search on some Chevy performance websites. Also most high end carb adaptors use -8 pipe.
Also the standrd Ultima spec Fuel pumps are not designed for high flow applications (refer to demon tweeks cat). What is needed is a substantial fuel pump with at least 100 GpH capacity.
I myslef opted for an alterantive installation to the factory. I had my own tanks built with -8 fittings and installed the Holly Blue electric fuel pump. (same as a former race installation)
refer to www.adequatespeed.freeserve.co.uk
Also look at EVO this month Page 29 the fuel pipes to the carb are -8
I to made my tanks with all -8 hose and have mentioned this before. I was told that a minium -8 pipe was needed for 500ish BHP. I also use a Holley Blue-Top pump (120GPH that's USA Gallons 4 Litres.) I'm also running a highly modified Chuck Nyton Holley.
Even under full load the needle seat pressure(fuel Pressure) should not drop down below 5-6 PSI, that is when running 7PSI normal running. All this info has been given to me by a Seasoned Engine builder.
Have fun lads, Summers coming ....
Even under full load the needle seat pressure(fuel Pressure) should not drop down below 5-6 PSI, that is when running 7PSI normal running. All this info has been given to me by a Seasoned Engine builder.
Have fun lads, Summers coming ....
To clarify my comments, the build quality is almost second to none with regards to the assembly/kit car market, but as you will agree, if everyone gives praise and doesnt pick up on faults then how does anyone improve on there production and therefore satisfy more of the market/potential market? All feedback is appreciated by any company, if I were to sit back and rest on my laurels without have both negative and positive feedback, my company would be disadvantaged!
Im glad Stig chose to air his vendetor (maybe to strong a word and I appologise) in public as a number of irregular posters have now voiced there opinions on the aforementioned areas and brought more information to light!
>> Edited by Vez on Sunday 12th January 19:08
Im glad Stig chose to air his vendetor (maybe to strong a word and I appologise) in public as a number of irregular posters have now voiced there opinions on the aforementioned areas and brought more information to light!
>> Edited by Vez on Sunday 12th January 19:08
I have wondered about adequate fuel supply in high G driving. I have another car that has a fuel cell. The fuel pickups are basically flattened funnels that are attached to hose in the cell. The funnels have some freedom of movement and will follow the fuel around the tank during high speed cornering, acceleration and braking.
The tanks that came with my kit have a -6 fitting attached to a solid elbow that approaches the floor of the tank. It is easy to imagine a low fuel condition in which the fuel is not in contact with the pickup for an extended period of time. The results are obvious.
It has been awhile since I've been able to work on my car. Does the build manual at some point recommend a surge tank? How is this made/added to the fuel system?
ken
The tanks that came with my kit have a -6 fitting attached to a solid elbow that approaches the floor of the tank. It is easy to imagine a low fuel condition in which the fuel is not in contact with the pickup for an extended period of time. The results are obvious.
It has been awhile since I've been able to work on my car. Does the build manual at some point recommend a surge tank? How is this made/added to the fuel system?
ken
People are entitled to their opinin and others should not use their position to inflict their own.
If it is not allowed to be public here then where? maybe in the background were more damage can be done? Lets keep it all here (good or bad) so we can all bedate it and put people right when they are wrong.
I have also disagreed with many of Vez posts, but if others have learned from them then they have been constructive, at least the debate was had.
I personnely have imense respect for the Ultima factory, their product is excellent and they have provided me very good after service even after my SVA (and they already had my cash!).
Also after a chat with Ted yesterday I am also impressed with their development attitude, very frank and factual. They don't always go in the direction I want. but hey... I am but one customer.
Lets all have a beer together in Feb at the meet.
And remember the Club slogan.
Provoke Challenge Taunt
If it is not allowed to be public here then where? maybe in the background were more damage can be done? Lets keep it all here (good or bad) so we can all bedate it and put people right when they are wrong.
I have also disagreed with many of Vez posts, but if others have learned from them then they have been constructive, at least the debate was had.
I personnely have imense respect for the Ultima factory, their product is excellent and they have provided me very good after service even after my SVA (and they already had my cash!).
Also after a chat with Ted yesterday I am also impressed with their development attitude, very frank and factual. They don't always go in the direction I want. but hey... I am but one customer.
Lets all have a beer together in Feb at the meet.
And remember the Club slogan.
Provoke Challenge Taunt
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