92 on a dual carriageway, points / ban??!!!!!
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Hi All
Got back from work to find a nice brown enevlope on the doormat, NIP from Wiltshire contstbulary, 92 in a 70 zone (dual carriage way).
The photo you can view on the internet tells it all(clearly showing the car almost on its nose with the (much too late) braking, no excuse should have been concentrating more , I am p!ssed off that my perfectly clean licence is now going to get points, or worse, a ban!
Anyone care to advise how many points I can expect, or even worse will there be a short ban? Will I have to actually appear in court? Weather was perfect and traffic was v. light if they take any of that into consideration.
Was reading another thread that seemed to say you can ignore the letter, as they are rarely followed up and are not sent recorded delivery, anyone done that?
Yours, about to go and purchase top end radar detector
Got back from work to find a nice brown enevlope on the doormat, NIP from Wiltshire contstbulary, 92 in a 70 zone (dual carriage way).
The photo you can view on the internet tells it all(clearly showing the car almost on its nose with the (much too late) braking, no excuse should have been concentrating more , I am p!ssed off that my perfectly clean licence is now going to get points, or worse, a ban!
Anyone care to advise how many points I can expect, or even worse will there be a short ban? Will I have to actually appear in court? Weather was perfect and traffic was v. light if they take any of that into consideration.
Was reading another thread that seemed to say you can ignore the letter, as they are rarely followed up and are not sent recorded delivery, anyone done that?
Yours, about to go and purchase top end radar detector
thornettj said:
Hi All
Got back from work to find a nice brown enevlope on the doormat, NIP from Wiltshire contstbulary, 92 in a 70 zone (dual carriage way).
The photo you can view on the internet tells it all(clearly showing the car almost on its nose with the (much too late) braking, no excuse should have been concentrating more , I am p!ssed off that my perfectly clean licence is now going to get points, or worse, a ban!
Anyone care to advise how many points I can expect, or even worse will there be a short ban? Will I have to actually appear in court? Weather was perfect and traffic was v. light if they take any of that into consideration.
Was reading another thread that seemed to say you can ignore the letter, as they are rarely followed up and are not sent recorded delivery, anyone done that?
Yours, about to go and purchase top end radar detector
Save your money, won't be long before radar detectors are banned.
I was pulled over for doing 92 on dual carriageway.
I contested this fact and rejected the 3 points and £60.
Ended up with 6 points and £200 fine and £100 cost, and the pleasure of knowing that the cleark thought I had the best self-defended case he had ever seen, and still lost.
At appeal the 6 points were reduced to 4, but this cost me an additional £275 in court costs.
If you know you were doing 92 though, the 3 points and £60 is the easy option. They wont ask you to go to court unless you were doing over 96.
I contested this fact and rejected the 3 points and £60.
Ended up with 6 points and £200 fine and £100 cost, and the pleasure of knowing that the cleark thought I had the best self-defended case he had ever seen, and still lost.
At appeal the 6 points were reduced to 4, but this cost me an additional £275 in court costs.
If you know you were doing 92 though, the 3 points and £60 is the easy option. They wont ask you to go to court unless you were doing over 96.
thornettj said:
Appreciate your replies, looks like they will offer 3pts and £60, I will bite their hand off! Presume they only offer this when I complete the N.I.P ? 96 is the threshold for a court appearance / ban is it?
Cheers
Up to 26 mph can be dealt with by a fixed penalty notice. Over that has to be before the magistrates. Not a definate ban though, the sentence will be completely up to them, but usually 6 points or a short ban.
Why would radar detectors be banned soon Von, as they are a valuable aid to motorists to warn of impending changes in speed limits and to adjust ones speed, according to the many varied speed limits around our roads.
They should therefore be classed as another valuable driving aid, to ensure we all drive within the set speed limits, as you always do.
They should therefore be classed as another valuable driving aid, to ensure we all drive within the set speed limits, as you always do.
thornettj said:
Hi All
Got back from work to find a nice brown enevlope on the doormat, NIP from Wiltshire contstbulary, 92 in a 70 zone (dual carriage way).
The photo you can view on the internet tells it all(clearly showing the car almost on its nose with the (much too late) braking, no excuse should have been concentrating more , I am p!ssed off that my perfectly clean licence is now going to get points, or worse, a ban!
Hard luck James - I expect it'll be nothing more than £60 and 3 points, but it shouldn't even be that in my opinion. There should be no danger of a ban, especially with a clean licence so far, and it's a shame to spoil that for such a trifling offence. Damned stupid system!
Best wishes all,
Dave.
TripleS said:Sure is, but it's achieving its aim.
Damned stupid system!
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Ayn Rand said:
There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws.
justinp1 said:
I was pulled over for doing 92 on dual carriageway.
I contested this fact and rejected the 3 points and £60.
Ended up with 6 points and £200 fine and £100 cost, and the pleasure of knowing that the cleark thought I had the best self-defended case he had ever seen, and still lost.
At appeal the 6 points were reduced to 4, but this cost me an additional £275 in court costs.
If you know you were doing 92 though, the 3 points and £60 is the easy option. They wont ask you to go to court unless you were doing over 96.
I like you style, why did`nt we have a collection for you, i would have chipped in a tenner.
Cheers.
thornettj said:
Those Pepipo guys know what they are on about, well worth a look. Might try their 'PACE' letter....
Also on closer examination, the scamera 2020 speedscope seems to have caught me at 800 metres which seems quite a long way away?,
That is a lot longer at usual. In my court case I showed that to successfully hit the front of a car from 400 metres with a handheld laser is a feat with an equivalent target size of the 9 and 10 rings on an Olympic Pistol Shooting target.
From 800 metres away, this reduces the target size by a factor of two! Further to that the operator would have had to hold the device still on the same point of your car for a third of a second.
The other factor is that before your car was 'confirmed' as speeding they whould have done a visual check. Considering that 800 metres is half a mile away, in the time it takes to assess your speed, decide to make a check, aim the laser and shoot, they would have had to make this visual assessment of speed at 3/4 of a mile away. I would like to see anyone in court honestly say they can do that.
I lost my case last year, but helped another PHer defend himself in the current climate and he won! Let me know if you need a hand. Post a bit more about the exact evidence, as you may have a case to fight.
Send this letter with your NIP.
[insert your registration number here]
Dear Chief Constable,
Further to the above Notice of Intended Prosecution, I confirm that the following individual was driving the above vehicle at the time of the alleged motoring offence:
[insert all of the details asked for on the NIP here, including name, address, date of birth and driver number]
As this statement is provided under threat of criminal penalty (Funke v France) and as I have not received the caution required by paragraph 10.1 of PACE Code C (Mawdesley v the Chief Constable of Cheshire (2004) 1 All E.R. 58), I make this statement on the express understanding that it shall not be used or disclosed in any proceedings of whatever nature against myself.
Yours sincerely,
[insert your signature here]
[insert your name here]
[insert your registration number here]
Dear Chief Constable,
Further to the above Notice of Intended Prosecution, I confirm that the following individual was driving the above vehicle at the time of the alleged motoring offence:
[insert all of the details asked for on the NIP here, including name, address, date of birth and driver number]
As this statement is provided under threat of criminal penalty (Funke v France) and as I have not received the caution required by paragraph 10.1 of PACE Code C (Mawdesley v the Chief Constable of Cheshire (2004) 1 All E.R. 58), I make this statement on the express understanding that it shall not be used or disclosed in any proceedings of whatever nature against myself.
Yours sincerely,
[insert your signature here]
[insert your name here]
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