997GT3 v 996GT3RS
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Hells teeth. As some of you will know I recently bought a RS to play with 'till - and hopefully beyond - the arrival of my new 997GT3 at end Aug. To be honest, having had the car for a week or so, I was getting ready to get my teeth into having it's suspension set up and gradually adding lovely bits and pieces over time like the rest of you and had started to think that I might just pass the new car on. It would be a first for me to actually keep a car long term and I was looking forward to it. Then I read June(god these mag. dates get sillier and sillier) Evo and there's Herr Rohl saying that the new car is maybe seven or eight secs. quicker than the RS round the 'Ring. And brilliant on the road. OH Bugger!
sammy said:
Hells teeth. As some of you will know I recently bought a RS to play with 'till - and hopefully beyond - the arrival of my new 997GT3 at end Aug. To be honest, having had the car for a week or so, I was getting ready to get my teeth into having it's suspension set up and gradually adding lovely bits and pieces over time like the rest of you and had started to think that I might just pass the new car on. It would be a first for me to actually keep a car long term and I was looking forward to it. Then I read June(god these mag. dates get sillier and sillier) Evo and there's Herr Rohl saying that the new car is maybe seven or eight secs. quicker than the RS round the 'Ring. And brilliant on the road. OH Bugger!
The new car runs on Michellin cups. There is your ring time. Put your RS on cups and it will be quicker than the 997GT3. Put cups and a set up on it and it will slaughter it.
There will be a lot said of lap times in the new car. The cup tyres are a cynical way to ensure the new car will be quicker. Dissapointing
Keep it up guys - sounds like good advice and I can feel you saving me money! My problem is I flit from one shiney 'the latest thing' to the next. I'm a salesman's dream I'm afraid - which was the whole point of trying to get involved with the RS. I think the new GT3 should treat me well financialy if I run it as my road car for six months and then get out of it - and I guess I'll be able to make proper comparisons during that period to.
Based on what you say, tyres are a bit of a tuning bargain aren't they.
>> Edited by sammy on Friday 28th April 16:11
Based on what you say, tyres are a bit of a tuning bargain aren't they.
>> Edited by sammy on Friday 28th April 16:11
I can offer nothing more than a passing opinion not having driven either, however I do find it surprising that people get swayed by ring times which actually represent just 1.5% faster... surely more important is what it feels like behind the wheel? So if the 997GT3 steers better, is better balanced, and has a nicer drivetrain then maybe its worth it - if not then best stick with your current steed? FWIW the looks of the new GT3 are absolutely on the nail for me, I think its stunning (but then the RS is rather attractive too). Either way, its a problem I'd like to be facing 
- I've only had brief experience of a 996GT3 (thanks Sam) and that was very, very nice indeed - nice to the point of typing 'GT3' into autotrader every now and again.....
- I've only had brief experience of a 996GT3 (thanks Sam) and that was very, very nice indeed - nice to the point of typing 'GT3' into autotrader every now and again.....sammy said:
I think the new GT3 should treat me well financialy if I run it as my road car for six months and then get out of it - and I guess I'll be able to make proper comparisons during that period to.
Based on what you say, tyres are a bit of a tuning bargain aren't they.
Imho, if you plan on using either of these cars as intended, the road is not the place to run comparisons of these cars! (well certainly not in this forsaken country) Compare them on track, and I suspect that you will probably find even less difference. 7-8 seconds per lap around the 'Ring is easily due to driver skills working within the envelope of either cars abilities that I suspect the numbers become irrelevant.
The interesting bit about the Evo article is that Walter says its quicker round the ring with the PASM in a softer setting than the 996 GT3, so perhaps they are finding time through better road compliance as well as tyres. Not to mention a 15% closer ratio box that will definitely help with the acceleration and the slight gap in ratios. Anyway if you want to set lots of store in the Evo article, then what about the bit 'The outgoing GT3 RS perhaps still holds the greater challenge... making it the 911 masochists choice'.
If the 997 RS has the rumoured 3.8l engine, that will be something else, and the 9967GT3 definitely sounds like less of a (sometimes unwelcome) challenge on the road. They talk about turbo rivalling road pace...
I was talking to Steve @ JZM about it in passing, and he mentioned Manthey get their car in June. Then we'll be getting some good impartial feedback. I think the new models are going to be cracking however you look at it.
Me, I'm going to do as suggested above and invest far less in improving my driving. I'll get more performance from that for sure.
>> Edited by DanH on Friday 28th April 19:57
If the 997 RS has the rumoured 3.8l engine, that will be something else, and the 9967GT3 definitely sounds like less of a (sometimes unwelcome) challenge on the road. They talk about turbo rivalling road pace...
I was talking to Steve @ JZM about it in passing, and he mentioned Manthey get their car in June. Then we'll be getting some good impartial feedback. I think the new models are going to be cracking however you look at it.
Me, I'm going to do as suggested above and invest far less in improving my driving. I'll get more performance from that for sure.
>> Edited by DanH on Friday 28th April 19:57
Well PARR have done wonders with my GT3RS.
I picked the car up this evening.
The dyno figures are perhaps low. i.e before approx 360bhp
BUT.. after there is 370bhp and more importantly up to 10% more torque lower down at 3500rpm.
The results are noticeable in car without a doubt.
As to why my figure are low who knows.
I intend to use my own data logger to see what my 0-100mph times are looking like.
I'm guessing its now around 8.8-.90 seconds.
Of more interest was the fact that my car, before the dyno work, out dragged a TVR Sagaris with consumate ease, and that was very surprising!! And to the dismay of the poor chap trying to impress his woman.
I picked the car up this evening.
The dyno figures are perhaps low. i.e before approx 360bhp
BUT.. after there is 370bhp and more importantly up to 10% more torque lower down at 3500rpm.
The results are noticeable in car without a doubt.
As to why my figure are low who knows.
I intend to use my own data logger to see what my 0-100mph times are looking like.
I'm guessing its now around 8.8-.90 seconds.
Of more interest was the fact that my car, before the dyno work, out dragged a TVR Sagaris with consumate ease, and that was very surprising!! And to the dismay of the poor chap trying to impress his woman.
If you want the superb sound of the new 997 GT3 then look what Parr is offering.
A truly fantastic centre exahust system with a new carbon bumber.
Lose about 30kgs in the process and gain at least 20bhp.
I've heard it too and sounds amazing!
Spend about £6k and you'll have the power of the new GT3
The handling setup charging is a bargain.
I'm keeping my RS, I think it'll be, IS, a classic.
A truly fantastic centre exahust system with a new carbon bumber.
Lose about 30kgs in the process and gain at least 20bhp.
I've heard it too and sounds amazing!
Spend about £6k and you'll have the power of the new GT3
The handling setup charging is a bargain.
I'm keeping my RS, I think it'll be, IS, a classic.
polarexpress said:
I think the new GT3 should treat me well financialy if I run it as my road car for six months and then get out of it - and I guess I'll be able to make proper comparisons during that period to.
Based on what you say, tyres are a bit of a tuning bargain aren't they.
Imho, if you plan on using either of these cars as intended, the road is not the place to run comparisons of these cars! (well certainly not in this forsaken country) Compare them on track, and I suspect that you will probably find even less difference. 7-8 seconds per lap around the 'Ring is easily due to driver skills working within the envelope of either cars abilities that I suspect the numbers become irrelevant.
I'll be running both on road AND track - isn't that the whole point of Porsches as opposed to,say, red Italian things - so the comprisons will be valid. However ultimately it will be track performance that will sway me.
>> Edited by sammy on Friday 28th April 21:05
JPF40 said:
Well PARR have done wonders with my GT3RS.
I picked the car up this evening.
The dyno figures are perhaps low. i.e before approx 360bhp
BUT.. after there is 370bhp and more importantly up to 10% more torque lower down at 3500rpm.
The results are noticeable in car without a doubt.
As to why my figure are low who knows.
I intend to use my own data logger to see what my 0-100mph times are looking like.
I'm guessing its now around 8.8-.90 seconds.
Of more interest was the fact that my car, before the dyno work, out dragged a TVR Sagaris with consumate ease, and that was very surprising!! And to the dismay of the poor chap trying to impress his woman.
glad you're pleased with the car - the figures still seem really low - most info suggests that an out of the box RS has about 400 bhp, so 370 still seems low. isn't the car meant to have a minimum quoted figure of 380???
Andrew
of course aesthetics are about personal choice but I still think the 996GT3RS looks better than the 997GT3 (only seen it in pics).The carbon bits,decals,and clean slimline shell hits the spot.There will ultimately be lots of bodykitted 997's about looking very similar to 997 GT3's.A 996GT3RS could never be anything else.
flemke said:
A truly fantastic centre exahust system with a new carbon bumber.
Lose about 30kgs in the process and gain at least 20bhp.
The standard bumper is light enough to lift with one finger.
Well they needed to make a new one anyway as it is a centre exit exhaust, and who can resist carbon fibre*?
JPF40 said:
Well PARR have done wonders with my GT3RS.
I picked the car up this evening.
The dyno figures are perhaps low. i.e before approx 360bhp
BUT.. after there is 370bhp and more importantly up to 10% more torque lower down at 3500rpm.
The results are noticeable in car without a doubt.
As to why my figure are low who knows.
I intend to use my own data logger to see what my 0-100mph times are looking like.
I'm guessing its now around 8.8-.90 seconds.
Of more interest was the fact that my car, before the dyno work, out dragged a TVR Sagaris with consumate ease, and that was very surprising!! And to the dismay of the poor chap trying to impress his woman.
James, is your dyno reading low compared to other RSs on the same dyno? Perhaps get it measured at WRC technologies as they have measured a lot of GT3s in the UK, so you would have a good baseline to compare against.
I felt to have failry similar acceleration to a Sagaris at Bedford, but unforunately its diff exploded in front of me before I could really confirm my opinion, which unfortanately says it all
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