Porsche Dealer prices in Germany
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I was suprised how reasonable prices for parts and to services cars are here compared to the UK. I "tested" the dealers and the technicians and they seem to know their stuff too. I know a few who have given their older Porsches to these main dealers and have been happy.
Their usual rate is 100 euros an hour. For an older car like a 993 they'll go down to 80 euros an hour and ALSO take money off the parts. When you consider that UK dealers typically shaft us for an unrelenting £100 an hour
it's interesting.
Parts prices I got were 58 euros for a clear Turbo front indicator lense, 6600 euros (all in) for the 316 KW/430 Bhp upgrade kits, which comprises the additional oil cooler, and piping and ECU. I have no idea of the UK prices at main dealers, but I'll bet they're more also!
Their usual rate is 100 euros an hour. For an older car like a 993 they'll go down to 80 euros an hour and ALSO take money off the parts. When you consider that UK dealers typically shaft us for an unrelenting £100 an hour
it's interesting. Parts prices I got were 58 euros for a clear Turbo front indicator lense, 6600 euros (all in) for the 316 KW/430 Bhp upgrade kits, which comprises the additional oil cooler, and piping and ECU. I have no idea of the UK prices at main dealers, but I'll bet they're more also!
Sounds a good price for a dealer however I've found www.Carnewal.com seem to be cheapest for this sort of factory stuff.
430 Porsche kit 5500Euro and for just another 500 Euro you can have the factory 450hp kit which includes 2 brand new K24 turbos (but strangely no oil cooler)
Factory ECU programming is a little too conservative to make these kits good value IMO.
430 Porsche kit 5500Euro and for just another 500 Euro you can have the factory 450hp kit which includes 2 brand new K24 turbos (but strangely no oil cooler)
Factory ECU programming is a little too conservative to make these kits good value IMO.
tb993tt said:
Sounds a good price for a dealer however I've found www.Carnewal.com seem to be cheapest for this sort of factory stuff.
430 Porsche kit 5500Euro and for just another 500 Euro you can have the factory 450hp kit which includes 2 brand new K24 turbos (but strangely no oil cooler)
Factory ECU programming is a little too conservative to make these kits good value IMO.
That is cheap, may not be good value, but I KNOW how much there IS to mapping an engine, especially a boosted OEM one and wouldn't trust anyone else short of RUF or myself.
Marquis_Rex said:
Sounds a good price for a dealer however I've found www.Carnewal.com seem to be cheapest for this sort of factory stuff.
430 Porsche kit 5500Euro and for just another 500 Euro you can have the factory 450hp kit which includes 2 brand new K24 turbos (but strangely no oil cooler)
Factory ECU programming is a little too conservative to make these kits good value IMO.
That is cheap, may not be good value, but I KNOW how much there IS to mapping an engine, especially a boosted OEM one and wouldn't trust anyone else short of RUF or myself.
exactly how much do you know about mapping an ECU? As much as RUF???? I suspect not!
sherlockgnomes said:
Sounds a good price for a dealer however I've found www.Carnewal.com seem to be cheapest for this sort of factory stuff.
430 Porsche kit 5500Euro and for just another 500 Euro you can have the factory 450hp kit which includes 2 brand new K24 turbos (but strangely no oil cooler)
Factory ECU programming is a little too conservative to make these kits good value IMO.
That is cheap, may not be good value, but I KNOW how much there IS to mapping an engine, especially a boosted OEM one and wouldn't trust anyone else short of RUF or myself.
exactly how much do you know about mapping an ECU? As much as RUF???? I suspect not!
Click on his name to see his profile. Then look about half way down the page.........
DAZ
dazren said:
Sounds a good price for a dealer however I've found www.Carnewal.com seem to be cheapest for this sort of factory stuff.
430 Porsche kit 5500Euro and for just another 500 Euro you can have the factory 450hp kit which includes 2 brand new K24 turbos (but strangely no oil cooler)
Factory ECU programming is a little too conservative to make these kits good value IMO.
That is cheap, may not be good value, but I KNOW how much there IS to mapping an engine, especially a boosted OEM one and wouldn't trust anyone else short of RUF or myself.
exactly how much do you know about mapping an ECU? As much as RUF???? I suspect not!
Click on his name to see his profile. Then look about half way down the page.........
DAZ
hmmmm....tHere are very few calibrators out there who could 'map' (in old school language) an ECU...it takes a large team of people to each contribute to their specialist area...
not hard to exaggerate really. not hard to impress people who aren't working within the motor industry with a few acronyms etc. we used to have loads of dead wood in my company - fortunately now they're mostly being paid off to leave the country!!
sherlockgnomes said:Welcome to Pistonheads. Why don't you introduce yourself, so that we can fully appreciate your contributions. What company do you own and why are people paid off to leave which country?
hmmmm....tHere are very few calibrators out there who could 'map' (in old school language) an ECU...it takes a large team of people to each contribute to their specialist area...
not hard to exaggerate really. not hard to impress people who aren't working within the motor industry with a few acronyms etc. we used to have loads of dead wood in my company - fortunately now they're mostly being paid off to leave the country!!
I'd trust RUF and RS tuning (Herr Reinhold Schmirler - hence the RS). They have a close relationship with Porsche AG engineers (unlike RUF or pretty much anyone else). Actually they're developing in co operation with Porsche and hardware electronics specialists a new Engine Command Unit for their Motorsport divison with some breakthrough developments. RS Tuning (together with RUF)are the excellence in engine tuning when you're talking Porsche. RS Tuning also does tuning packages for other companies as Cargraphic, FVD,etc. In terms of achievements... if Jurgen Alzen and EDO competition names rings a bell than RS tuning deveolped their engines. In terms of prices though they're unfortunately the same or even higher than RUF.
sherlockgnomes said:
Sounds a good price for a dealer however I've found www.Carnewal.com seem to be cheapest for this sort of factory stuff.
430 Porsche kit 5500Euro and for just another 500 Euro you can have the factory 450hp kit which includes 2 brand new K24 turbos (but strangely no oil cooler)
Factory ECU programming is a little too conservative to make these kits good value IMO.
That is cheap, may not be good value, but I KNOW how much there IS to mapping an engine, especially a boosted OEM one and wouldn't trust anyone else short of RUF or myself.
exactly how much do you know about mapping an ECU? As much as RUF???? I suspect not!
Click on his name to see his profile. Then look about half way down the page.........
DAZ
hmmmm....tHere are very few calibrators out there who could 'map' (in old school language) an ECU...it takes a large team of people to each contribute to their specialist area...
not hard to exaggerate really. not hard to impress people who aren't working within the motor industry with a few acronyms etc. we used to have loads of dead wood in my company - fortunately now they're mostly being paid off to leave the country!!
Exactly how much do YOU know about mapping an EMS system?
It DOES take a team to map modern cars through emissions to meet manufacturer emissions regulations, such as ULEV or Euro stage 4, especially complicated systems like a "torque based system". However, were I interested in doing my OWN car I would not have to meet ULEV or Euro Stage4: I could even bin the OBD2 system (for I dont live in California), as long as I retained the cats and it passed the MOT test. I could even bin the secondary air injection and fit twin plug cylinder heads (secondary air injection is why there's no twin plugs on the 993tt unfortunately) and either raise the compression ratio or add more boost. I still remember a time when twin cam 32 valve V8s with 2 stage VCT were getting through emissions programmes with one person in charge of most functions (must have been the just after the mid nineties) and these WERE cars that had to get through stringent OEM emissions standards. An M64/60 993 Turbo engine has no VCT, does NOT employ a "torque based" strategy etc etc. All I would have to do is to set the steady state sites correctly on a dyno (I already have alote of the steady state sites) find an ECU system with good transient strategies for fueling during fast tips ins/tip outs (such as MOTEC). I could even set MY own car up to run leaner on cruise to save fuel economy.
Bottom line is it's a much easier task setting up your own car/ doing the after market than setting up cars for OEMs.
Marquis_Rex said:
Sounds a good price for a dealer however I've found www.Carnewal.com seem to be cheapest for this sort of factory stuff.
430 Porsche kit 5500Euro and for just another 500 Euro you can have the factory 450hp kit which includes 2 brand new K24 turbos (but strangely no oil cooler)
Factory ECU programming is a little too conservative to make these kits good value IMO.
That is cheap, may not be good value, but I KNOW how much there IS to mapping an engine, especially a boosted OEM one and wouldn't trust anyone else short of RUF or myself.
exactly how much do you know about mapping an ECU? As much as RUF???? I suspect not!
Click on his name to see his profile. Then look about half way down the page.........
DAZ
hmmmm....tHere are very few calibrators out there who could 'map' (in old school language) an ECU...it takes a large team of people to each contribute to their specialist area...
not hard to exaggerate really. not hard to impress people who aren't working within the motor industry with a few acronyms etc. we used to have loads of dead wood in my company - fortunately now they're mostly being paid off to leave the country!!
Exactly how much do YOU know about mapping an EMS system?
It DOES take a team to map modern cars through emissions to meet manufacturer emissions regulations, such as ULEV or Euro stage 4, especially complicated systems like a "torque based system". However, were I interested in doing my OWN car I would not have to meet ULEV or Euro Stage4: I could even bin the OBD2 system (for I dont live in California), as long as I retained the cats and it passed the MOT test. I could even bin the secondary air injection and fit twin plug cylinder heads (secondary air injection is why there's no twin plugs on the 993tt unfortunately) and either raise the compression ratio or add more boost. I still remember a time when twin cam 32 valve V8s with 2 stage VCT were getting through emissions programmes with one person in charge of most functions (must have been the just after the mid nineties) and these WERE cars that had to get through stringent OEM emissions standards. An M64/60 993 Turbo engine has no VCT, does NOT employ a "torque based" strategy etc etc. All I would have to do is to set the steady state sites correctly on a dyno (I already have alote of the steady state sites) find an ECU system with good transient strategies for fueling during fast tips ins/tip outs (such as MOTEC). I could even set MY own car up to run leaner on cruise to save fuel economy.
Bottom line is it's a much easier task setting up your own car/ doing the after market than setting up cars for OEMs.
Good talk but there have been (to date) very few who can actually put what you say into practice
Quite. I have been a calibrator at a few midlands car companies for more than just a few years.... There was a guy who spent well over a year in my department. Think he had a few personal issues, insecurities. Constantly boasting about his alleged abilities, his cars, his houses. Suffice to say he was less than useful - he didn't learn a thing. Due to his ineptitude, the clueless fool was paid off in the vague hope that he would wreak havoc at a german car company instead.
>> Edited by sherlockgnomes on Monday 8th May 18:23
sherlockgnomes said:What rubbish. Anyone with a laptop and a basic knowledge of programming (at bit level) can map an ECU.
Here are very few calibrators out there who could 'map' (in old school language) an ECU...it takes a large team of people to each contribute to their specialist area...
Now, mapping one in such a way as to improve matters, well that's a different matter.
However, you make it sound like a black art that only a handful of cognicenti posess, and that is not the case.
What a load of crap in some of this thread!
I have the PSI flash and it's simply awesome. I looked into various programmes before making my mind up dyno sheets/recommendations/tuners background etc, etc, infact the guy who does the programming and any custom mapping for PSI is the same guy that does it for Manthey.
Just my 2pence worth
I have the PSI flash and it's simply awesome. I looked into various programmes before making my mind up dyno sheets/recommendations/tuners background etc, etc, infact the guy who does the programming and any custom mapping for PSI is the same guy that does it for Manthey.
Just my 2pence worth
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