More Monza news - local nimby ba$tards have struck again
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Grand Prix Masters has been cancelled !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5 round series becomes 4, unless another venue is found.
5 round series becomes 4, unless another venue is found.
Crash.net said:
The ongoing Monza noise pollution dispute that threatened the Formula One Italian Grand Prix has instead forced the withdrawal of the Grand Prix Masters round at the legendary circuit.
One of the most anticipated rounds on the GPM calendar, the race was due to go ahead on 18th June but a recent court ruling that stated noise pollution around the circuit, which is situated near Milan, exceeded the legal limit seems to have finally killed off any hopes of holding race there.
A 30-day exemption will be granted in September thus saving the Formula One race, but no such guarantee would be made for the GPM race. It is a decision that has disappointed the series chairman, Scott Poulter, who was anticipating a great race around one of motor racing's most famous circuits, even if he does insist that they will return in 2007.
"A very disappointing conclusion given the anticipation amongst GP Masters and Italian fans alike," he said. "With three Italian drivers now contesting our series and of course' tfosi' favourite Nigel Mansell, Monza was always the logical next stop for us following the season curtain raiser in Qatar last weekend but forces outside of our control have decided otherwise.
"It's a great shame but we are very confident indeed of securing a date in Italy for 2007. In the meantime, we offer our profuse apologies to the many fans, media and commercial partners who had expressed their commitment towards hosting our event at Monza this year. We will be back and an announcement on the GP Masters of Italy will be forthcoming from us very soon."
"We too share the disappointment expressed by GP Masters as everyone associated with Autodromo Nazionale di Monza was looking forward to hosting this fantastic new series," added Enrico Ferrari, chairman of the Monza circuit.
"We've exhausted every possible avenue in an effort to be granted special dispensation for the GP Masters of Italy on 18th June but the legislators were not open to this happening. We are in an on-going dialogue with Scott Poulter (CEO, GP Masters) and I am sure we'll find a way of showcasing next year the GP Masters series to the growing and excited fan base here in Italy."
porkus said:
eerm cant they just put silencers on like they have to do on some race bikes sometimes?
I tell you what, why not run electric cars only? Oh, and can the crowd keep the noise down, please? And someone wants to feed the birds on the pitstraight at 3:15, so you'll have to finish the meeting by then.
Some of us love the sound of engines. Most of us see this as the thin end of the wedge. This has got to stop. Now.
killer2005 said:
ing stupid
. Anyone want to take over thew town of Monza to make them sort it out
Amazingly it's only three families living in the nearby village of Biassono who are causing the strife, I think a simpler solution could be found and it doesn't involve sitting around a table and discussing it, it's a more..............physical solution.
I don't quite understand how a judge can successfully uphold a complaint about noise pollution from a race circuit that has been there since 1922. Racing cars are noisy and if you move to a house near a race circuit then you have to expect to be able to hear them.
Having said that, the F1 cars are bloody loud... I heard one on Thursday on the campus at the university of York, there was one at Elvington airfield I think, which is a good few miles away. It sounded awesome though!
Having said that, the F1 cars are bloody loud... I heard one on Thursday on the campus at the university of York, there was one at Elvington airfield I think, which is a good few miles away. It sounded awesome though!
Maybe the only thing to dowith these people is push for regulations that ban whatever their favourite pastimes are.
Let's look at things we think are acceptable and make them not so - just to prove a point.
Dogs: Fouling is potentially dangerous to young children. Especially in 'play areas'. Kids are allowed to play anywhere. So dogs anywhere are dangerous. Dogs should be bannned.
Horses: Today's paper tells me that pony clubs are becoming so popular that even Tesco's are about to stock riding clothes and equipment. Presumably that will lead to a boom in horse riding as the kids grow.
But 2 weeks ago my local paper, reporting on the Air Ambulance based at East Midland Airport, observed that they get 8 calls a month to horse riding accidents! Proportionately to road accidents if you compare number of journey miles per accident that is a huge number. Probably safer to ride a stunt motorcycle.
Isn't it about time that horse riding was banned or at least severely restricted and requiring a full licence to participate?
Gardening: Plants, fertilisers and weedkillers all represent serious dangers to the health of people who are at risk. And they encourage insects, especially wasps and bees therefore providing an unneccessary risk to anyone susceptible to stings. Gardeners like pnds. Ponds are dangeroous for young children who may fall in and can also become breeding grounds for disease carrying insects - mosquitos for example - as well as production sites for methane which, as I am sure we all know, is the most potent greenhouse gas. Clearly gardening should be discouraged. Perhaps gardens could be restricted to safety confirmed grass and maybe one plant? And a small tree. A sappling only. Nothing big enough to hang a swing from.
Other suggestions?
Let's look at things we think are acceptable and make them not so - just to prove a point.
Dogs: Fouling is potentially dangerous to young children. Especially in 'play areas'. Kids are allowed to play anywhere. So dogs anywhere are dangerous. Dogs should be bannned.
Horses: Today's paper tells me that pony clubs are becoming so popular that even Tesco's are about to stock riding clothes and equipment. Presumably that will lead to a boom in horse riding as the kids grow.
But 2 weeks ago my local paper, reporting on the Air Ambulance based at East Midland Airport, observed that they get 8 calls a month to horse riding accidents! Proportionately to road accidents if you compare number of journey miles per accident that is a huge number. Probably safer to ride a stunt motorcycle.
Isn't it about time that horse riding was banned or at least severely restricted and requiring a full licence to participate?
Gardening: Plants, fertilisers and weedkillers all represent serious dangers to the health of people who are at risk. And they encourage insects, especially wasps and bees therefore providing an unneccessary risk to anyone susceptible to stings. Gardeners like pnds. Ponds are dangeroous for young children who may fall in and can also become breeding grounds for disease carrying insects - mosquitos for example - as well as production sites for methane which, as I am sure we all know, is the most potent greenhouse gas. Clearly gardening should be discouraged. Perhaps gardens could be restricted to safety confirmed grass and maybe one plant? And a small tree. A sappling only. Nothing big enough to hang a swing from.
Other suggestions?
FourWheelDrift said:
I was at Silverstone the other week for the testing and the new V8's are louder than the V10's not sure if it's just because they rev higher....but my god standing next to the track at a full throttle sector when 7 come by in quick succession.....WOW!
I will be having fun at silverstone this year then.
mrandy said:
reminds me off donnington where the locals moan about motorbike and car track days to the point they are now silienced ,HELLO the tracks under a bloody airport landing strip
Yep. And there are complaints about the airport as well.
MG Car Club is up at the track today and as the rain swept in it was all quite loud. Can hardly hear them now.
As I have said before there is a difference between teh airport and the race track.
Part of the justification of the airport is that provides several thousand jobs locally. Unlikely that the Park ever will inless it is turned into something else.
Planes tend to make noise for a few seconds or minutes at a time and are not persistent. Car and bikes are pretty continuous during the day. Lunch hours are the exceptions. At this time of year the sessions run on until 8 pm or so. That can mean 10 hours of perpetual noise topped up by the planes. And to many the cars and bikes will have the same nuisance noise effect as a buzzing fly. Add tyre squeal to that mix on track days.
PLanes are being forced to become quieter and it has been the same for cars, though it is easier to quieten a car than it is a plane, particualrly an old plane.
If people want to maintain some pressure on the airport to ensure that its night flights (mostly noisier old freight planes and there is no obvious night flying restriction in place unlike other airports) do not get out of hand it is almost necessary for them to also monitor and try to control the same form of 'pollution' from other local sources.
It is in the nature of people to want to do these things.
pwig said:
Unless you moved there before 1931 the residents aint got a leg to stand on IMO.
Related to Donington?
Maybe. On the other hand the place had not been used for motor sport, afaik, for many years before Tom Wheatcroft redeveloped in the 70's.
I like the idea though pwig. Could be applied perhaps to Aintree, Crystal Palace and a few other places whose names don't immediately spring to mind.
The real problem may be that in the cases we hear about on PH - Monza, Castel Combe and the noise restictions and Donington for example - the 'problem', and the cost of council noise performance monitoring, seem to relate to a very small number of people.
3 families for Monza apparently.
One house owner for Combe.
And apparently a lady who lives 5 miles from Donington but calls the council at the first indication of any noise at all.
Now if you or I make a complaint about something the chances are we would be ignored. Somehow these people have found a way to be heard and for action to be taken with results in their favour. Presumably they have a silent majority of support behind them?
It may be a PITA but perhaps we should take heart that a small number of individuals can, if motivated enough, still be influential. Of course they rely on the masses to leave it to someone else to defend thier corners and 'someone else' may not actually exist. But that is the masses for you. No commitment.
If we deny that opportunity, no matter how much we may think it absurd and inappropriate, we could come to rue the day we denied it when we are the small but influential group fighting to retain or prevent something that is close to our hearts. And that thing may be somewhat more important than how much noise a car or bike can make at a circuit or how many 'noisy days' an operator is allowed each year.
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