Company mileage
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silkygal

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56 posts

284 months

Saturday 18th January 2003
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What would you think is a reasonable amount to be reimbursed (pence per mile) by a Company when I use my own car on their business?
Of course it's of no concern to them if I use an 1100cc or a V12 5.3 - I'm interested if anyone is reimbursed in this way and at what level. Thanks.

Big_M

5,602 posts

290 months

Saturday 18th January 2003
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I get 40p per mile for the first 4,000 miles. It goes down after that but I can't remember to what. Don't forget to check that your insurance covers your business use.

neilus

907 posts

309 months

Saturday 18th January 2003
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There are 'approved mileage allowace payment' (AMAP) rates on the Inland Revenue website (www.inlandrevenue.gov.uk/rates/travel.htm)

The following document reiterates the AMAP rates, but goes into a bit more information about claiming back tax relief if you are getting paid less than the AMAP rate.

www.inlandrevenue.gov.uk/pdfs/ir124.htm

Hope this helps.

Neil.

daydreamer

1,409 posts

284 months

Saturday 18th January 2003
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As has been said, there are approved rates from the government. 40p per mile for the first 10,000 now, then 25p thereafter. (I'd get onto your employer BigM - it sounds like they are using the old approved figures)

This is now irrespective of what car you are driving, so you could get a 1.1 Fiesta and make a fortune, or a T350 and have some fun.

The days of company cars or milage as a perk are, I'm afraid, well and truely behind us .

Rich (now forced out of Co Car into my own - Not too bad though, I settled for an S2000 as daily driver

Psychobert

6,318 posts

283 months

Saturday 18th January 2003
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daydreamer said: As has been said, there are approved rates from the government. 40p per mile for the first 10,000 now, then 25p thereafter. (I'd get onto your employer BigM - it sounds like they are using the old approved figures)

This is now irrespective of what car you are driving, so you could get a 1.1 Fiesta and make a fortune, or a T350 and have some fun.

The days of company cars or milage as a perk are, I'm afraid, well and truely behind us .

Rich (now forced out of Co Car into my own - Not too bad though, I settled for an S2000 as daily driver


Interesting.. My employer only allows 40 p a mile upto 6,000 miles, then drops, (I thought to 23, but could be 25p).

Must have a word with them. I've 4,000 miles of at least half paid for Tivving that could be done..

joust

14,622 posts

286 months

Saturday 18th January 2003
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The rate is up to the employer. However, if they pay less than the 40p for 10k then 25p then you can claim tax relief on the "missing" amounts.

See www.inlandrevenue.gov.uk/pdfs/ir124.htm for what you need to do (if you do a tax return - just put the difference in there, else use a P87.

J

daydreamer

1,409 posts

284 months

Saturday 18th January 2003
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joust said: The rate is up to the employer. However, if they pay less than the 40p for 10k then 25p then you can claim tax relief on the "missing" amounts.

See www.inlandrevenue.gov.uk/pdfs/ir124.htm for what you need to do (if you do a tax return - just put the difference in there, else use a P87.
J
This is sort of what I do (even though, I am the employer too ). I claim a set amount each year as part of my salary to cover everything, including business petrol - then claim the tax back on company milage done. I was a bit shocked when I worked out the numbers for the S2000 that will be arriving soon, so opted out. I wanted a system that would give similar benefits to the employees as the co car system does, so we essentially offer their average car cost over the last two years and say that's it, unless they end up doing far more milage for a particular project etc. Everybody knows where they stand, and we don't have to drive diesels.

lovemytvr

311 posts

296 months

Saturday 18th January 2003
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This is also what I have done at work - the company pay 45p/mile up to 10k and then 30p after 10k - from memory the 40 and 25p rates are only the lowest that your employer can pay - and you can drive what you like - so having the Chimaera as a company car makes sense and is also huge fun!!
Regards
Neal
W9 TVR

daydreamer

1,409 posts

284 months

Saturday 18th January 2003
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lovemytvr said: This is also what I have done at work - the company pay 45p/mile up to 10k and then 30p after 10k - from memory the 40 and 25p rates are only the lowest that your employer can pay - and you can drive what you like - so having the Chimaera as a company car makes sense and is also huge fun!!
Regards
Neal
W9 TVR
As Joust says, companies can pay what they like (although there is at least a moral obligation to offer alternative transport if employees don't want to use their own car). The 40p, 25p are the tax free amounts, therefore if you get paid more, you have to pay tax on the difference, if less, then you can claim back tax, again on the difference.

However, company car tax has increasd so much over the last couple of years, that it is encouraging people out of mondeo land and offering the enthusiast the chance to drive something fun (like a Chim ) for less than a company car would have cost them.

An excellent choice might I add sir

joust

14,622 posts

286 months

Saturday 18th January 2003
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daydreamer said: However, company car tax has increasd so much over the last couple of years, that it is encouraging people out of mondeo land and offering the enthusiast the chance to drive something fun (like a Chim ) for less than a company car would have cost them.
An excellent choice might I add sir
Guess what's paying for the Noble - yep - opted out CC payments

joust

14,622 posts

286 months

Saturday 18th January 2003
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lovemytvr said: This is also what I have done at work - the company pay 45p/mile up to 10k and then 30p after 10k - from memory the 40 and 25p rates are only the lowest that your employer can pay - and you can drive what you like - so having the Chimaera as a company car makes sense and is also huge fun!!
Regards
Neal
W9 TVR
Technically your company is paying 5ppm over the tax free limit - so you are liable for the number of miles * 5p * tax rate on your annual tax bill. If you don't fill in a tax form, then you have a legal obligation to get your company to recover it via PAYE (basically your tax code will go down by the appropiate amount).

Remember that the tax man can come a looking for this money even after the event - you should therefore (nudge nudge) ensure that either you pay it direct or your company is taking via PAYE.

As daydreamer said - the 40/25 is not a minimum - its the tax free amount - many a company pay less than that for small engine cars, but you do get the advantage of claiming then back the "under tax free" rate tax back on your tax form.

See the link I posted if you aren't clear, and check with your tax person within the company if it still isn't clear!

J
Edited one I realised I'd posted the same as day dreamer in pp. 3&4 - DOH!

>> Edited by joust on Saturday 18th January 21:46

silkygal

Original Poster:

56 posts

284 months

Sunday 19th January 2003
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Many thanks everyone ..... I thought 20p was a bit stingy!

joust

14,622 posts

286 months

Sunday 19th January 2003
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If you get a car allowance, then 20p's quite generous (the 40p is to cover costs of using a private car, not one effectivly paid for by your work). For people with car allowances they have to look at the total value - again read the rules on the link I posted if your not sure.

J

GregE240

10,857 posts

294 months

Monday 20th January 2003
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True Joust, my company only pays 15p per mile and thats for the largest engine size (petrol). But, I got a nice Xmas present from the Inland Revenue for my tax relief.

If you're going to opt out and take the money, the world is your oyster. Look at some of the cars people are driving post-opting out. Unfortunately, a lot of companies these days are jumping on the leased car bandwagon, so you get a Mondeo, or money for a Mondeo instead.

As someone said before, a company car is no longer a perk....

icamm

2,153 posts

287 months

Monday 20th January 2003
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Just read the IRS page 'cos I'm sure it used to be 60p a mile. How the hell do they justify 20p a mile for a bicycle?

You can also tell they naff all about motorbikes at 24p a mile. Most modern bikes cost as much to run as cars - more expensive insurance, £200+ on tyres every 4-5000 miles, under 40mpg average. They certainly aren't trying to get people to use them instead of a car.

markda

836 posts

285 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2003
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I am entitled to either a company car or cash allowance. Because I have opted to take the cash allowance I get only 25p per mile.

But when I started here I wasnt entitled either a car or cash allowance. But instead was able to claim 45p per mile.

joust

14,622 posts

286 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2003
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markda said: I am entitled to either a company car or cash allowance. Because I have opted to take the cash allowance I get only 25p per mile.

But when I started here I wasnt entitled either a car or cash allowance. But instead was able to claim 45p per mile.
OK - it depends how the "car allowance" is paid to you. Speak to your company's tax person and they will tell you if you have any tax credits, and how to get hold of them.

However, the principle of a car allowance is that it pays for the purchase & maintenance of the car, hence the mileage charge should reflect that you only need to recover petrol. 25ppm sounds very very generous (~12ppm is the norm).

The rules if you have a car allowance are more complicated, your company tax advisor, or the local tax office, will work it out for you.

J
J